Science & Industry

Waste is the waste % included in the SDE


if (me<0)
{
wasteage=(waste/100)*(1-me);
}
else
{
wasteage=(waste/(me+1))/100;
}

round(perfect+(perfect*wasteage)) for the waste specific to the blueprint
round(perfect+(perfect*wasteage)+(perfect*(0.25-(0.05*pe)))) for the waste including your PE waste.

For the base materials only. Rounding is if <.5 to the integer below, otherwise up.

When you add in the extra materials, they're unaffected by ME waste, and only affected by your PE waste if they're also in the base materials.

That's the formula that's being used in my BP calculator (check the javascript if you don't believe me ) and I've not found a mistake with it (since the last one was corrected, shortly after the first release).


The materials for the drone damage amp II are wrong in the SDE.

0.49999999 becomes 0. 0.5 becomes 1.

As for rapid assembly arrays, I'm not sure. I'd expect it's applied before the rounding. I've never dealt with them however.

If you do find a blueprint that conflicts with the calculator on my site, let me know, and I'll have a quick dig at it.

You do treat them separately. Handle base materials (rounding), then extra materials(rounding), and then add the two together.

By the /looks/ of things, you only change the base materials, with the rapid equipment assembly array. But it's not something I've tried. and the slightly faster build time(about 3.2 hours in a day) isn't worth the additional waste for me.


tracking link 1:
http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/blueprints/2103/0/1/0/5

When you have Production Efficiency 5, you no longer see [Perfect] on BPO (no loss from incompetence).

For M.E. >= 0
Total Material = ROUND(Base Material * (1.25 + Base Waste / (1 + Material Level) - Production Efficiency Skill * 0.05))

For M.E. < 0
Total Material = ROUND(Base Material * (1.25 + Base Waste * (1 - Material Level) - Production Efficiency Skill * 0.05))

Base amounts can be found from a database dump or
Base Waste = Waste shown on an unresearched BPO
Base Material = ROUND(Material amount shown on an unresearched BPO / (1 + Base Waste))

Perfect Material Level = FLOOR(Largest Material Count on M.E. 0 BPO / ((1 + Base Waste) / (2 * Base Waste)))
for 10% base waste BPO: Perfect Material Level = Largest Material Count on M.E. 0 BPO / 5.5 and drop the fraction (don't round)
for 5% base waste BPO: Perfect Material Level = Largest Material Count on M.E. 0 BPO / 10.5 and drop the fraction (don't round)

Note that material marked as EXTRA does not have any waste!

Sorry, I missed the part about assembly line multiplier. Reading comprehension for the lose.

I've never bothered with a Rapid Assembly Array, so I'll have to buy one and check when I get home this evening.

I suspect that the multiplier is on the base amount, so it gets rounded with everything thing else (only one rounding is done on the final result), but I'll have to check this theory when I get home.

i think my problem might be how production line waste is applied, anyone knows exactly how you put that in the formula?

Yea i already read your post Lutz, but i still cant get it to work.

Where exactly do you put the production waste factor from the assembly line? for each material (raw and extra), counting also waste from PE skill, and how do you round the decimals?

Ok using your math can you check out tracking link i blueprint again?
Using a rapid assembly line and comparing the factory quote with pe skill 1 and 5 i get:

lvl 1 pe
mexallon 4 <---- this is incorrect, in-game quote shows 5
isogen 3 <---- correct

lvl 5 pe
mexallon 4 <---- correct
isogen 2 <--- correct

Oh dear ... I just had to think (!) of how to write a sql :( Four months without databases changes a man *sigh*

But:

For Mexallon the raw base value is 2, for extra it is 1.

Your skill waste for Production Eff I is 1.20 (1.25 - (0.05 * 1))
The production waste for the rapid array is also 1.2 (20% more)
I asume you use a ME 0 blueprint


So with prod eff 1:
raw materials: 2 + (1.2 * 1.2 + (0.1 / (1 +0))) = 3.08
extra materials: 1 + (1.2 * 1.2) = 1.44

ROUND(3.08 + 1.44) = ROUND(4.52) = 5


With PE 5 it would be
raw: 2 + (1.0 + 1.2 + (0.1/ (1 + 0))) = 2.6
extra: 1 + (1.0 + 1.2) = 1.2

ROUND(2.6 + 1.2) = ROUND(3.8) = 4

[edit] i hope i got at least the math right :)[/edit]

I suppose you mean this

raw materials: 2 * (1.2 * 1.2 + (0.1 / (1 +0))) = 3.08
extra materials: 1 * (1.2 * 1.2) = 1.44

for both the equations, cause thats the only way i can find your results.

But still if i use this formula then the isogen requirement is wrong.
With that formula and using rapid assembly line:

pe 1
isogen 3 <---- correct

pe 5
isogen 3 <----- thats wrong, it should be 2.