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captain foivos
State War Academy
Caldari State
#161 - 2012-06-26 14:17:44 UTC  |  Edited by: captain foivos
Jade Constantine wrote:
I'm certainly entirely happy to defend all statements I have made in the past.


Like these?
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#162 - 2012-06-26 14:17:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Khanh'rhh
Jade Constantine wrote:
Posting links at dawn? By all means if you feel it will help to win you the argument. I'm certainly entirely happy to defend all statements I have made in the past.


Please explain how we're meant to perceive:

Jade Constantine wrote:
Goonswarm have whined CCP into nerfing the Inferno Wardec System because they hated the idea of ever losing even a fraction of their numerical advantage [..] Mittani was forced to beg his mates at CCP to nerf the Inferno Wardec System because Goonswarm was being effectively opposed


Since the following parts are unsubstantiated, and you have been asked repeatedly to show evidence for:

- That Goonswarm complained
- That they were ever against it, even
- That CCP made this change off the back of GSF/Mittens communicating with them
- That your opposition in anyway mattered.

The whole pretext that "it benefits large alliances" completely falls down as reverse logic. Because, tell me, the system as it was in 1.0 .... what size entity would be best placed to deal with dogpiled aggressors, a small alliance or a large one? That it benefits large alliances is a construction entirely of your own making.

There's no logical train of thought running through any of it, except "my particular war won't work so waaaaaaaaa!"

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#163 - 2012-06-26 14:19:38 UTC
captain foivos wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
I'm certainly entirely happy to defend all statements I have made in the past.


Like this these?



I think you'd better explain your question in more detail.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Morganta
The Greater Goon
#164 - 2012-06-26 14:19:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Morganta
Din'stalor Alaric wrote:
Morganta wrote:
it is a failed experiment.
you are losing more money than you are saving by continuing to let -----Edit-----

Shameful display of customer service
I strongly recommend you rectify the situation before they do any more damage to your company

and I mean the forum division, I have no issues with ISDs ingame

Post edited
Please file a petition if you have an issue with the moderators.

-I did, I unsubbed and named the ISD as a reason, that will go up the chain quicker than the 2 month petition line-

-I also took the liberty of stripping your sig from my post as you are not worthy of having an official signature-


I took the liberty of highlighting and underlining the part of your spluge of rubbish which i found most interesting.
Now, since its page 8 and no one has said it, Can i haz your stuff?


thank you, I was just noticing that nobody had done that yet, and it felt very odd, almost like I was in a totally different community

and no, you can't
I need my stuff to keep the station from floating away

and Jade, go start your own thread, or do you need to hijack other threads to push your terrible tinfoilry?
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#165 - 2012-06-26 14:25:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Jade Constantine
Khanh'rhh wrote:

Please explain how we're meant to perceive:


I said I was entirely happy to defend any statements I have made, I am not however prepared to waste my time explaining how you are meant to "perceive" something that is clearly evident.

All statements you quoted of mine were prettty fair rhetoric given the sweeping change made to Inferno wardecs in 1.1 which have seen the defensive ally coalition mechanic nerfed into oblivion so that the largest alliances in the game can wardec the smallest for a mere 50m isk per week while a defending coalition 1/20th of the aggressor's size will be billed $300,000 dollars in ISK equiv. to escalate the war

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
captain foivos
State War Academy
Caldari State
#166 - 2012-06-26 14:26:17 UTC
Looks like I accidentally a word there, oops.

I don't get why a spacehooker is telling me to be nicer on the forums. Especially a spacehooker that calls my friends cowardly, weak imbeciles.
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#167 - 2012-06-26 14:31:58 UTC
captain foivos wrote:
Looks like I accidentally a word there, oops.

I don't get why a spacehooker is telling me to be nicer on the forums. Especially a spacehooker that calls my friends cowardly, weak imbeciles.



Still don't really understand what you are talking about.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Jason Auralis
The Marshall Group
#168 - 2012-06-26 14:33:14 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
Khanh'rhh wrote:

Please explain how we're meant to perceive:


I said I was entirely happy to defend any statements I have made, I am not however prepared to waste my time explaining how you are meant to "perceive" something that is clearly evident.

All statements you quoted of mine were prettty fair rhetoric given the sweeping change made to Inferno wardecs in 1.1 which have seen the defensive ally coalition mechanic nerfed into oblivion so that the largest alliances in the game can wardec the smallest for a mere 50m isk per week while a defending coalition 1/20th of the aggressor's size will be billed $300,000 dollars in ISK equiv. to escalate the war


Stop arguing about your argument and get back to discussing ISD.

"Could I request that ISD please lock my shirt into my trousers?" - Lilliana Stelles 2012.06.25 Never forget.
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#169 - 2012-06-26 14:35:25 UTC
Jason Auralis wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
Khanh'rhh wrote:

Please explain how we're meant to perceive:


I said I was entirely happy to defend any statements I have made, I am not however prepared to waste my time explaining how you are meant to "perceive" something that is clearly evident.

All statements you quoted of mine were prettty fair rhetoric given the sweeping change made to Inferno wardecs in 1.1 which have seen the defensive ally coalition mechanic nerfed into oblivion so that the largest alliances in the game can wardec the smallest for a mere 50m isk per week while a defending coalition 1/20th of the aggressor's size will be billed $300,000 dollars in ISK equiv. to escalate the war


Stop arguing about your argument and get back to discussing ISD.


I think you'll find I've done plenty of that in this thread. Read back.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Crunchie Attuxors
Always Another Corporate Venture
#170 - 2012-06-26 14:40:52 UTC
Alaya Carrier wrote:


Hello,

I and a silent majority wholeheartedly support you and your heavy efforts in what is the most thankless job on the internets.

Know that you are appreciated and please don't give up. Don't listen to this garbage of humanity who sperg their nonsense all over this forum and dare to call it "freedom of speech".

Keep the good work,

One of many customers happy to see some moderation in this sea of spoiled childs ship poastings.



Silent majority? Are you serious?

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Jason Auralis
The Marshall Group
#171 - 2012-06-26 14:40:57 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
Jason Auralis wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
Khanh'rhh wrote:

Please explain how we're meant to perceive:


I said I was entirely happy to defend any statements I have made, I am not however prepared to waste my time explaining how you are meant to "perceive" something that is clearly evident.

All statements you quoted of mine were prettty fair rhetoric given the sweeping change made to Inferno wardecs in 1.1 which have seen the defensive ally coalition mechanic nerfed into oblivion so that the largest alliances in the game can wardec the smallest for a mere 50m isk per week while a defending coalition 1/20th of the aggressor's size will be billed $300,000 dollars in ISK equiv. to escalate the war


Stop arguing about your argument and get back to discussing ISD.


I think you'll find I've done plenty of that in this thread. Read back.


Ok. So stop when you reach the point where your done talking about the topic.

"Could I request that ISD please lock my shirt into my trousers?" - Lilliana Stelles 2012.06.25 Never forget.
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#172 - 2012-06-26 14:42:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Khanh'rhh
Jade Constantine wrote:
Khanh'rhh wrote:

Please explain how we're meant to perceive:


I said I was entirely happy to defend any statements I have made, I am not however prepared to waste my time explaining how you are meant to "perceive" something that is clearly evident.

All statements you quoted of mine were prettty fair rhetoric given the sweeping change made to Inferno wardecs in 1.1 which have seen the defensive ally coalition mechanic nerfed into oblivion so that the largest alliances in the game can wardec the smallest for a mere 50m isk per week while a defending coalition 1/20th of the aggressor's size will be billed $300,000 dollars in ISK equiv. to escalate the war

Once more you selectively quote my post and claim the same complete nonsense, so I will instead ask the same thing again.

Since the following parts of your argument (it helps large alliances, they wanted it changed) are unsubstantiated, and you have been asked repeatedly to show evidence for, I would like responses on the following lack of logic in your statements:

- That Goonswarm complained
- That they were ever against it, even
- That CCP made this change off the back of GSF/Mittens communicating with them
- That your opposition in anyway mattered.

Plus, I ask again, the system as it was in 1.0 .... what size entity would be best placed to deal with dogpiled aggressors, a small alliance or a large one? That it benefits large alliances is a construction entirely of your own making.

You can make all the JPEGS you want of how much it costs to have 40 bajillion 1 man corps join your war but it completely avoids the central logic of the argument, so please, if you're actually man enough, try to make a comment which isn't just rhetoric and posturing.

If by "pretty fair rhetoric" you mean "I just completely made it up and can't show anything for it at all" then you're right.

You know what, just answer this:

Is a large or small alliance best placed to deal with dogpiled attackers? Why?

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#173 - 2012-06-26 14:46:09 UTC
CCP Phantom wrote:
While forum moderation discussions as per our forum rules not allowed on our forums, we of course allow and welcome constructive feedback and suggestions of how to improve our CCL program.

Forum moderation discussion for example would be discussing why a thread was locked, why a post was edited or why some moderator performed a specific action etc. If you have questions about specific moderation actions, the only proper way for asking questions is to file a petition.

Constructive feedback in general would include suggestions on how to improve the CCL in general without pointing to specific moderation actions or moderators.

Our goal is to provide a warm, friendly atmosphere for the EVE community on our forums and we are constantly working towards this goal - even though we sometimes have to work a little harder Cry



why not open a spam only thread where if a spam thread is made it gets moved into the spam thread...

that way if we are really bored and feel like we need to get our spam on we can do it in the correct thread?

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#174 - 2012-06-26 14:53:02 UTC
Khanh'rhh wrote:

Once more you selectively quote my post and claim the same complete nonsense


Well I'm hardly likely to stop selectively quoting your posts while you are claiming that a screenshot from the live server 1.1 defensive ally fee for escalation is part of a "nonsense" now am I? We need to get some consensus on the first line before its possible to continue. So tell me, do you agree that the 52nd ally in a defensive coalition (even though that coalition is still 1/20th the size of the aggressor) should cost around $300,000 dollars in ISK equivilent.

Because if we can get some agreement on we can move onto some of the rest of your points.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Alaya Carrier
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#175 - 2012-06-26 14:53:41 UTC
Luis Graca wrote:
Alaya Carrier wrote:
Luis Graca wrote:
i don't get it Sad

If "Eve is a cold harsh universe" and this forums are a part of EVE why shouldn't "Eve forums are a cold harsh universe"


Douchebaggery <> being harsh.

There are ways to express a lot, in a proper way. The Goons "FW LP" thread was left intact for days despite they were smug vs CCP themselves.

You don't need to have your mouth filled with abuse and trolling to look "cold and harsh".



You know "in a proper way" can meant something to you and something completely different to me



I could go in any street and talk to any person with the same language I am using on the forum with no risk of being punched on my nose.
I could go in a politic video strongly opposing to what they are talking without getting my microphone muted.

That's one of the many, proper ways.

Common sense. Use it.
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#176 - 2012-06-26 14:57:47 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
Khanh'rhh wrote:

Once more you selectively quote my post and claim the same complete nonsense


Well I'm hardly likely to stop selectively quoting your posts while you are claiming that a screenshot from the live server 1.1 defensive ally fee for escalation is part of a "nonsense" now am I? We need to get some consensus on the first line before its possible to continue. So tell me, do you agree that the 52nd ally in a defensive coalition (even though that coalition is still 1/20th the size of the aggressor) should cost around $300,000 dollars in ISK equivilent.

Because if we can get some agreement on we can move onto some of the rest of your points.

I'm not playing to your strawman, Jade. I have asked you several times on this page and DOZENS of times before this why you think this is relevant to a discussion on the Eve-wide wardecs at all.

Once more, because by now it's so painfully obvious you're avoiding the questions I'm actually enjoying it:

Is a large or small alliance best placed to deal with dogpiled attackers? Why?

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Prandax Xeon
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#177 - 2012-06-26 14:58:19 UTC
DeBingJos wrote:
CCP Phantom wrote:


Our goal is to provide a warm, friendly atmosphere for the EVE community on our forums and we are constantly working towards this goal - even though we sometimes have to work a little harder Cry


What happend to 'Eve is a cold harsh universe'?



It's now - "Eve-O is a cold harsh forum".

How is a Wyvern like an Ibis?  Neither have a drone bay!  
stoicfaux
#178 - 2012-06-26 14:59:27 UTC
8 Stupid Arguments That Internet Debates Always Devolve Into

#8. Who Has Less of a Life
#7. Who Is More Mature
#6. Who Can't Be Objective
#5. Who Is "Bringing Politics into It"
#4. Who Changed the Subject
#3. Freedom of Speech
#2. The Purpose of the Thread
#1. Emotion Contests

I think we've covered most of the bases... Anyone want to volunteer to represent #8 and #5?

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Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
#179 - 2012-06-26 15:00:23 UTC
The worst part is that fact that we can only have two open petitions.

That number of petitions is not enought to keep up with the number of deleted/edited posts and closed threads.

The Tears Must Flow
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#180 - 2012-06-26 15:01:59 UTC
Khanh'rhh wrote:

I'm not playing to your strawman, Jade.


Then why do you expect me to play into yours?

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom