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Null Serp PVE Proteus/Kronos?
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Arkanon Nerevar
UK Corp
Goonswarm Federation
#1 - 2012-06-25 12:46:45 UTC
Hey all, want to get your opinions regarding a certain ship choice, choosing between 2 ships which as you can gather from the title are the Kronos & Proteus and before you say it yes i already have a tengu, i just want something different and now im living in serp space its a excuse to go back to my beloved gall ships. Ship would be for Null PVE, i generally do mostly anoms, some belt ratting and the odd plex here and there, whichever one would most definately be blaster fitted and fairly pimped out, opinions, comments, ty.Big smile

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Gary Goat
XDC-UK
#2 - 2012-06-25 13:06:02 UTC
How are your drone skills? The sentry ishtar is fantastic agaist serps and i havent run into a single serp plex it couldnt handle. I always kept 2 around, 1 set up with damage rigs which serverd for most complex's and a dual rep fit with tanking rigs for the high level DED plex's and the tougher anoms. Both were just simple T2 fits so no fancy faction mods either.

The only site i havent been able to full solo in the ishtar is the 8/10 DED plex because i didnt have the dps to crack the station and the end. (It seems to tank more then the 10/10 station!)
Snyderm
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-06-26 13:06:06 UTC
Best money maker in the entire game in 0.0 serpentis. I did this for a year. Hyperion (T2 fit) actually works just as well if you want to try it first.. In executive outcomes, you must learn to use large blaster boats for extreme profit.

Kronos, Serpentis forsaken hubs (ONLY)

Highs:
4 Neutron Blaster IIs (Void or Null)
2 Large energy vampires (for fitting more tracking computers)

Mids:
4 Tracking computer IIs (switch scripts based on range)

Lows:
Core A-Type Larger repper
Core A-Type Thermic Hardener
Core A-Type Kinetic Hardener
4x Fed Navy Mag stabs

And of course realize, it needs no prop mod. Get to the center of the spawn and kill everything before they get out of range.

Note: It only works if you have NULL ammo to kill cruisers that get out to 30k.

Consistent 110 million per hour, pure isk.

the deadspace mods are added just for comfort. They aren't necessary to succeed. Use Hyperion with T2 mods, remove vampires and use 2 TCs, 2 Cap Rechargers in mids.

Tengus are bad moneymakers in gall space.
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#4 - 2012-06-26 13:09:47 UTC
Snyderm wrote:
Best money maker in the entire game in 0.0 serpentis. I did this for a year. Hyperion (T2 fit) actually works just as well if you want to try it first.. In executive outcomes, you must learn to use large blaster boats for extreme profit.

Kronos, Serpentis forsaken hubs (ONLY)

Highs:
4 Neutron Blaster IIs (Void or Null)
2 Large energy vampires (for fitting more tracking computers)

Mids:
4 Tracking computer IIs (switch scripts based on range)

Lows:
Core A-Type Larger repper
Core A-Type Thermic Hardener
Core A-Type Kinetic Hardener
4x Fed Navy Mag stabs

And of course realize, it needs no prop mod. Get to the center of the spawn and kill everything before they get out of range.

Note: It only works if you have NULL ammo to kill cruisers that get out to 30k.

Consistent 110 million per hour, pure isk.

the deadspace mods are added just for comfort. They aren't necessary to succeed. Use Hyperion with T2 mods, remove vampires and use 2 TCs, 2 Cap Rechargers in mids.

Tengus are bad moneymakers in gall space.



With all that pimp just take a Vindi less tracking computers and more webs, increase your income significantly (if not double)

brb
Predator989
Kurupt.
Sedition.
#5 - 2012-06-26 14:16:34 UTC
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
Snyderm wrote:
Best money maker in the entire game in 0.0 serpentis. I did this for a year. Hyperion (T2 fit) actually works just as well if you want to try it first.. In executive outcomes, you must learn to use large blaster boats for extreme profit.

Kronos, Serpentis forsaken hubs (ONLY)

Highs:
4 Neutron Blaster IIs (Void or Null)
2 Large energy vampires (for fitting more tracking computers)

Mids:
4 Tracking computer IIs (switch scripts based on range)

Lows:
Core A-Type Larger repper
Core A-Type Thermic Hardener
Core A-Type Kinetic Hardener
4x Fed Navy Mag stabs

And of course realize, it needs no prop mod. Get to the center of the spawn and kill everything before they get out of range.

Note: It only works if you have NULL ammo to kill cruisers that get out to 30k.

Consistent 110 million per hour, pure isk.

the deadspace mods are added just for comfort. They aren't necessary to succeed. Use Hyperion with T2 mods, remove vampires and use 2 TCs, 2 Cap Rechargers in mids.

Tengus are bad moneymakers in gall space.



With all that pimp just take a Vindi less tracking computers and more webs, increase your income significantly (if not double)


Not to be an ass...but he said ''30km''.....even with the best faction webs + skirmish booster a web will not help at 30km on a vindicator....however, a Vindicator should do more dps in the same situation/fitting.
Arkanon Nerevar
UK Corp
Goonswarm Federation
#6 - 2012-06-26 14:20:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Arkanon Nerevar
Snyderm wrote:
In executive outcomes, you must learn to use large blaster boats for extreme profit.


im actually curious as to what you mean by that mate?

As for Vindi hmm..i actually used to use one in empire, the kronos repper bonus should work in its favour for PVE, i understand it may get larger ticks sometimes due to higher sheer dmg but saying itl double (or even increase significantly) is a claim i struggle to beliveUgh.

i mean according to quick check on EFT, vindi only has about 60 more dmg to kronos with same fittings, bit better yes but not exactly shatteringly superior, one could argue the small dmg loss is offset by the superior tanking, serp f.hubs actually seem to have higher dmg than other faction ones.

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Snyderm
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-06-26 15:09:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Snyderm
I just mean that you have a lot of serp rats in your space, and a blaster boat is the best money maker.

I didn't use a vindicator because the rep bonus on the hyp and kronos made it more comfortable. It has a 12.5% damage bonus over the kronos. Kronos has 4 guns, using less ammo when firing tech 2.

Not that the vindicator would be a bad choice. I just had a kronos and not a vindicator. I originally bought it to salvage and kill at the same time (which works great in a forsaken hub). Given that the price of minerals have increased, going back to the killing/looting fit is probably even better isk now.

The point I really wanted to get across was for these type of anamolies, use a well skilled blasterboat, not a tengu. Its about double the isk ( and I am specifically talking about forsaken hubs, not DED sites. For those, use a tengu :).
Maeltstome
Ten Thousand Days
#8 - 2012-06-26 15:22:49 UTC
Get a sick DPS boat for the harder Plexes. MWD to the named rat and melt it for all the money.

That's why blasters boats profit.

10 million (after ammo) is a waste of time for bounties. Kill the name rats or whatever causes them to spawn, loot, then run.

Killing/looting/salvaging IS better isk per site, but takes too long compared to finding another site and melting it.
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#9 - 2012-06-26 21:49:36 UTC
Predator989 wrote:
Not to be an ass...but he said ''30km''.....even with the best faction webs + skirmish booster a web will not help at 30km on a vindicator....however, a Vindicator should do more dps in the same situation/fitting.


You don't fit a web to hold stuff at 30km, but to hold small web/scram rats or eventually someone showing up. An OH faction web on a Vindi makes all the difference between a guy landing on you and slowly help the rats killing you, or the guy landing on you and blow up before it can do whatever.

Tracking computer on a blaster vindi script range can be nice, but you've got the best tracking weapon system (snip) +25% range and tracking ammo all you need in mids is something to stop little rats from scram/web and make them easier to kill for your drones.

Not saying it's the best thing to do with, after all each one is free to loose his ships as he likes, it's just an opinion.

brb
RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
#10 - 2012-06-26 22:06:41 UTC
My alt uses a PVE Proteus. Cloaky/Nullified. It can go anywhere you want in null.

I use a rail fit so I can kite the bigger spawns untill they are manageable. Drones for the frigs if they get under my guns.
I stock ecm drones and have a lot of confidence if one person is in local. I have been tackled in a site many times and switched drones, warped out.

Proteus wont do the damage of the BS, but it will let you jump gates without a scout.

Alticus C Bear
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-06-26 22:10:50 UTC
Even on Kronos web or prop mod is prob better than 4th tracking comp, does it not provide about 2.5km extra range?
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#12 - 2012-06-26 23:50:59 UTC
I am training up Gallente BS and T2 blasters to also use a Vindi, but in gurrista space
ACE McFACE
Dirt 'n' Glitter
Local Is Primary
#13 - 2012-06-27 07:18:23 UTC
BLENGU ANYONE?

[Tengu, BLENGU]

Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Tracking Enhancer II

Republic Fleet 10MN MicroWarpdrive
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Kinetic Deflection Field II
Gistum B-Type Medium Shield Booster
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script

Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Null M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Null M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Null M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Null M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Null M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Null M

Medium Hybrid Locus Coordinator I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Tengu Offensive - Magnetic Infusion Basin
Tengu Propulsion - Intercalated Nanofibers

Warning, this fit is terrible

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