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Empty Wormhole chance change depending on High/Low/Nullsec?

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Ballza Fire
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-06-26 05:47:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Ballza Fire
Heya,

Wondering, does the chance of encountering an empty WH go up depending if the WH entry/exit point is in High or Low/Nullsec?

If day tripping WH's, is going to make a difference if I look for WH's in High or Low sec?

Cheers
Terrorfrodo
Interbus Universal
#2 - 2012-06-26 08:35:17 UTC
Yes and no. No because whether a wormhole is empty does not depend on chance but on whether other players decided to move into that wormhole. It's not like CCP rolls the dice and decides to populate a wormhole or not.

Yes because in low and null you find more higher-class holes and they are more often unoccupied than lower-class holes. So you will find more empty holes but you won't necessarily be able to solo them because they're C4 or C5.

You do find a lot of wormholes to C3 in low sec though, way more than in hisec.

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Hathrul
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-06-26 11:37:44 UTC
yes it does make a difference.

c5 and 6 are mostly empty, and lowsec/highsec wh's seem to be rather even.
c4 cant have empire connection

so c1-3

most people in lower class like their empire static. especially in c1 and 3, where thats your only static. if you are there just to farm some isk, having a static 0sec is rather annoying because its hard to go out and sell. you have to wait for a k162, or scan the 0sec for other wormholes, or try your luck with the standard gatecamps. if you have a lowsec static, or even a highsec, life becomes much easier, and therefor the wormholes are more wanted, and more likely to be occupied.
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#4 - 2012-06-26 12:29:58 UTC
Ballza Fire wrote:
Heya,

Wondering, does the chance of encountering an empty WH go up depending if the WH entry/exit point is in High or Low/Nullsec?

If day tripping WH's, is going to make a difference if I look for WH's in High or Low sec?

Cheers


if you ignore K162s (which you should if you are looking for an empty system), here is no real difference, at least none that i know of. it may be that non-static wormholes lead into high class wormhole systems more often in low and null, but since you are mainly interested in C1-C3, scanning in hisec should be at least equally promising.

I should buy an Ishtar.

Efraya
V0LTA
OnlyFleets.
#5 - 2012-06-26 13:07:09 UTC
Regarding c3 wormholes.

50% have a lowsec static.
25% have a null static.
25% have a high sec static.

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Tarunik Raqalth'Qui
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2012-06-26 13:34:51 UTC
Ballza Fire wrote:
Heya,

Wondering, does the chance of encountering an empty WH go up depending if the WH entry/exit point is in High or Low/Nullsec?

If day tripping WH's, is going to make a difference if I look for WH's in High or Low sec?

Cheers

For HS/LS, it depends on the class of hole you're searching for and whether you're dealing with inbound K162s to empire from C1-3 K-space statics, or outbound holes from Empire K162ing into W-space. In 0.0, well, you just gotta love those DRF guys and their Quantum Flux Generators. Seriously: why do they have to be planted in the single most useless region of sov null in existence?
Faulx
Brother Fox Corp
#7 - 2012-06-26 15:44:43 UTC
Efraya wrote:
Regarding c3 wormholes.

50% have a lowsec static.
25% have a null static.
25% have a high sec static.

slight correction:

Class 3 Static Wormhole Totals:
D845 (105 systems) [to high sec] (21.2%)
U210 (294 systems) [to low sec] (59.4%)
K346 (96 systems) [to null sec] (19.4%)

OP might also look at Project Atlas, Project Snapshot, and associated charts. If you enter a WH system through a K162, someone else (i.e. the person who made the K162) has definitely been there before. The system might still be unoccupied, but the odds are a lot lower. Unoccupied systems are most likely to be found through non-K162 wormholes. The exit point of a wormhole appears to be completely random within its scope of possible destinations and does not seem to depend on from where the wormhole is coming.
Ballza Fire
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-06-27 11:24:49 UTC
Disregardsing K162's as they are the exit side, guessing high chance someone's in there.

Based on the above

Class 3 Static Wormhole Totals:
D845 (105 systems) [to high sec] (21.2%)
U210 (294 systems) [to low sec] (59.4%)
K346 (96 systems) [to null sec] (19.4%)

Is this a higher chance to find a U210 in lowsec?
Or does this mean, the wormhole has a high chance to spawn an exit to lowsec?

I guess to simplify where would you look depending on what your are after?
Based on the link provided.

C1 - High Sec
C2 - High sec?
C3 - Low sec



Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-06-27 11:48:01 UTC
Ballza Fire wrote:
Disregardsing K162's as they are the exit side, guessing high chance someone's in there.

Based on the above

Class 3 Static Wormhole Totals:
D845 (105 systems) [to high sec] (21.2%)
U210 (294 systems) [to low sec] (59.4%)
K346 (96 systems) [to null sec] (19.4%)

Is this a higher chance to find a U210 in lowsec?
Or does this mean, the wormhole has a high chance to spawn an exit to lowsec?

I guess to simplify where would you look depending on what your are after?
Based on the link provided.

C1 - High Sec
C2 - High sec?
C3 - Low sec





You have it backwards. A U210 for example spawns inside the WH and exits in lowsec. So in lowsec it is a K162.

That basically shows the breakdown of C3 by their static type. The chance of finding an inbound WH to a C3 is independent of their static.

As an example, I found a C1 with lowsec static that was empty once from a high sec system.

So in reality it should not really matter high low or null, as the inbound WH's are independent of the systems outbound static.
jonnykefka
Adhocracy Incorporated
Adhocracy
#10 - 2012-06-27 14:40:44 UTC
In my experience, from before I started living in wormholes full-time, the best place to look for an empty WH is in systems with almost no traffic that are far from everything else. You can get outgoing wormholes spawning in hisec, lowsec, and nullsec systems that lead to c1-3 or 5 (very rarely you may find a direct link to a 6). If it's in a good place, typically the residents will use it until it crashes, and if it's in a really bad place, if there are residents they'll crash it. Therefore, if you can find a system or set of systems that is the definition of 'desolate wasteland', the odds are not bad that any wormhole you find will be either empty or very quiet.

Hisec islands are particularly good for this. No corp living in a hole with a hisec static wants to have to get through lowsec to reach the hisec on the other side, so they'll almost always roll it. Anything that's left is probably empty, and the islands tend to be very quiet so you won't have much competition.
Faulx
Brother Fox Corp
#11 - 2012-06-27 14:59:30 UTC
Ballza Fire wrote:
Is this a higher chance to find a U210 in lowsec?
Or does this mean, the wormhole has a high chance to spawn an exit to lowsec?

I guess to simplify where would you look depending on what your are after?

Every wormhole system has a single type of static wormhole which will consistently reform in that system. For example, J160650's static is U210, and this system will not typically see any other kind of static wormhole. 59.2% of other systems in class 3 will have a U210 static. Meanwhile, the remainder of class 3 systems have different statics 21.2% to high sec and 19.4% to null sec. For example, J121856's static is D845 (to high sec), and J105447's static is K346 (to null sec). U210s always goes to some system in low sec. There, its other side will appear as a K162, which claims to go to "unknown" space. D845s go to high sec, and K346s go to null sec, again both making K162s in k-space.

Class 3 wormhole systems do get other wormholes in addition to their statics, as seen here:

V301 from Class 3 to Class 1
I182 from Class 3 to Class 2
N968 from Class 3 to Class 3
T405 from Class 3 to Class 4
N770 from Class 3 to Class 5
A982 from Class 3 to Class 6

These wormholes are not static but wander, and once they collapse they will not reappear in the same system (unless by random chance).

In addition to all these wormholes that form within class 3 space, there are also plenty of K162s in class 3 systems. These K162s are the opposite ends of wormholes from other places in w-space and k-space incoming to the system.

If you want to see what static a certain system has (and thus, where that system will commonly connect to), just use the List of all w-space systems. Hope that helps.
Faulx
Brother Fox Corp
#12 - 2012-06-27 15:05:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Faulx
Also, if you're asking where to look in k-space to find wormholes that lead to class 3. Look here:

statics:
O477 from Class 2 to Class 3
C247 from Class 4 to Class 3
M267 from Class 5 to Class 3
L477 from Class 6 to Class 3

wandering:
O883 from Class 1 to Class 3
N968 from Class 3 to Class 3
X702 from high, low, & null to Class 3

If you bury yourself in a hole with a static to class 3, you can get a new entrance to c3 every day. The wandering wormholes are a lot more work to find, although there's quite a lot of X702s in low sec.

You can, of course, also find K162s that lead to class 3, but, again, these will most likely be from already occupied systems.

As for the odds of finding any of these wormholes: the statics are 100%, as long as you're in a system with that static. The X702s in high sec are about 1 in 15 systems (according to Project Snapshot data). The odds of finding an X702 in low sec, seem to quite a bit better than this (in my experience).
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#13 - 2012-06-28 02:02:31 UTC
Based on my experience, at least half the K346 static C3's are unoccupied, and will have an abundance of sites to run. Think, 20++ per system. Finding those systems is, however, difficult. To get into them your best bet is a C2 with B274/O477 or trawling lowsec for X702's.
Tarunik Raqalth'Qui
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2012-06-28 12:04:17 UTC
Trinkets friend wrote:
Based on my experience, at least half the K346 static C3's are unoccupied, and will have an abundance of sites to run. Think, 20++ per system. Finding those systems is, however, difficult. To get into them your best bet is a C2 with B274/O477 or trawling lowsec for X702's.

Just wait until you see the Class 4 space tumbleweeds; a good third to a half of all C4s are unoccupied.