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When does all the ganking make mining worth it?
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SAA Legis
Miners Mine
#181 - 2012-06-26 10:38:32 UTC
Only incompetent miners are vulnerable to gank. Kind of like only the slower antelopes die to lions.
Reech Yvormes
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#182 - 2012-06-26 10:55:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Reech Yvormes
is that why people go to high sec to find newbies to gank?

i take it you need to do that because your life depends on it.

ie, its too risky for you to fight a competent miner?

because lions kill the weakest because they have to.

of course you could just be talking about hulks and people who bought their mining barge with plex....

PS it occured to me that maybe my experience would have been better if i started playing eve when there were still learning skills, that higher skilled players couldnt grief from me in one kill of my pod?

you could kill my mining vessels all day if you want aslong as you dont add days to my training times. thx.

thats all i guess. i think ive almost cried every tear i can.

might be able to wring out a few more. anyone got a violin. this really needs a violin.
nat longshot
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#183 - 2012-06-26 11:25:18 UTC
ok my 2 cents.

First off ccp put belts in high sec for a reason to mine them. 2 its a open sand box and i for the life of me cant understand why low sec and 0.0 pilots think there way of playing is right.

If your way of playing is what you like fine great go for it but your play style might not be the play style for another person. That like you Drink coca-cola and i like DR. Pepper and i take away your coca-cola and shove my dr. pepper in your mouth and tell you in your face your worng and youll like it. You get really **** at me for that will that what garkers are doing in game. Get over yourself solo you anit nothing other then a sry pvper that can only kill unarmed ships.

i have been in low sec and 0.0 and will return at some point soon but untill i return ive made a home in hi sec but i dont mine. So in ending you think your play style is the right way to play eve will your partly right. It 's right for you not forevery one your not 100% right hell your not 20% i say over all 5% right 95% wrong.

even in eve i play buy one rule that is i enjoy the way i play and i dont push my play style on anyone because of the fact its right for me not anyone but me. kind of like the golden rule "do onto others have you'd have do onto you."

now iam done and i know the sh^^ storm likes to follow my posts so let it roll.


 [13:12:18] CCP Punkturis nat longshot you're a cutie.. OH YAH I WIN!!
Reignsun Dragonsong
Perkone
Caldari State
#184 - 2012-06-26 11:29:38 UTC
Can't wait until winter expansion where all mining barges/exhumer gets buffed aswell as new Ore Frigate. Harder to gank, more profit, though prices will drop.
Q Release
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#185 - 2012-06-26 11:29:51 UTC
And heres me thinking I played a game that let you play how you liked. I mine in high sec , I mission in high sec, I've been and lived in 0.0, I've done invention and exploration and enjoyed everything in the game.

But still I cant get over how many players think "if I dont play the sandbox like they do I'm doing it wrong".

ATM I dont have much time to play (RL Stuff and things), but I still enjoy chatting to my m8s in EvE and when possible playing a little. Does this mean that I should quit because I dont take part in low or 0.0 stuff? If it does "Who wants my stuff?

Oisin Sandovar
Don't Die Interstellar Enterprises
#186 - 2012-06-26 11:38:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Oisin Sandovar
IMHO, most of the posts by gankers and pro-gankers are just trolls looking for attention. They are not interested in discussion, they are only interested in being right. They will not change their minds. They do not adapt. They do the same thing over and over and over again. Ignore them.

In short, if people don't respond to them/their posts, they will eventually stop posting because they are not getting the attention they want.

"And the only people I fear are those who never have doubts", Billy Joel, Shades of Grey
betoli
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#187 - 2012-06-26 12:10:11 UTC
Oisin Sandovar wrote:
IMHO, most of the posts by gankers and pro-gankers are just trolls looking for attention.


They win
Aulx-Gao Ekanon
#188 - 2012-06-26 12:11:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Aulx-Gao Ekanon
Merin Ryskin wrote:
Ituhata Saken wrote:
What am I missing here, or is it an issue that you just can't get get miners to come out to null?


The issue is that the Hulk is an endgame mining ship. It is only flown by veteran players, ideally with a high level of player and character skills. For the solo player, it is the ultimate mining ship, and it is an important element in any larger-scale mining operation.

The fact that there are enough Hulks in highsec for Hulkageddon to be possible is a sign of a severe lack of balance between risk and reward. Veteran miners are choosing to stay in highsec long past the point where they should be moving into lowsec and/or 0.0 in search of greater rewards, which suggests that either:

1) Highsec mining provides way too much income, and needs to be nerfed to a point where only new players have any reason to do it (with the minerals being moved to lowsec/0.0).

or

2) Highsec miners are overwhelmingly willing to give up on maximizing profit in favor of minimizing risks, in which case ganking them is awesome because every miner that ragequits drives the price of minerals up a bit more for the players who are willing to take risks to get them.

Either way, highsec miners need to be ganked out of the game until the situation is fixed.


It takes 50-ish days to skill into a Hulk. That's all it takes to be a veteran player?

If these 300,500,000.00 ISK ships (Jita Median at the moment) are getting popped in highsec, why the hell would the miners want to take the same ship to low/null where there is no CONCORD protection? If all these elite uber-pvpers are willing to travel so far from their dangerous null and lowsec caves to smite the scourge that is the common carebear, why would the carebear make it easier and move closer to the very things that want it dead?

_Naughty by nature, wicked by choice. _
Wildwa
The War Forge
#189 - 2012-06-26 12:21:47 UTC
Merin Ryskin wrote:
Tenchi Sal wrote:
im pretty sure most miners are quitting not over pvp but how ****** the community of EVE is becomming. look at all the rage/hate towards them, they are blamed for every last thing thats bad in EVE online. i been playing mmos since 1999, dont ever remember seeing a group of players so blatantly "hated on" more then EVE miners.


You know why they're blamed? Because highsec miners, just like other highsec carebears, are bad for the game.

Highsec is supposed to be the tutorial area, with the least risk but also the lowest rewards. There should be absolutely zero profit for veteran players in highsec. If you have the skills to fly a Hulk, you should be forced to move to lowsec or 0.0 to get any money. You should NOT be given a nice gank-free AFK income source like highsec miners demand.

Hulkageddon should be impossible for the simple reason that there are no Hulks in highsec, and therefore nothing to suicide gank besides a handful of tutorial players mining in their frigates.


It seems to me those that hate the carebears are raging more than the carebears themselves... Keep going though, i'm getting a good chuckle out of this Big smile
Oisin Sandovar
Don't Die Interstellar Enterprises
#190 - 2012-06-26 12:25:03 UTC
Aulx-Gao Ekanon wrote:


It takes 50-ish days to skill into a Hulk. That's all it takes to be a veteran player?

If these 300,500,000.00 ships (Jita Median at the moment) are getting popped in highsec, whey the hell would the miners want to take the same ship to low/null where there is no CONCORD protection? If all these elite uber-pvpers are willing to travel so far from their dangerous null and lowsec caves to smite the scourge that is the common carebear, why would the carebear make it easier and move closer to the very things that want it dead?

They aren't interested in any discussion. They really don't care, except to get attention. Trust me. Ignore them.

"And the only people I fear are those who never have doubts", Billy Joel, Shades of Grey
figity
Doomheim
#191 - 2012-06-26 12:57:17 UTC
One very easy way to destroy hi sec miners if thats what you wanna do DONT BUY YOUR ORE IN HI SEC EVER. This would make the reward for the carebears or hi sec mining less profitable. Are the player who are detracting Hi sec player going to stop buying these mats I dont think so, I they did then the market in empire would crash and make it worthless to do the activity.

Why should a few corps or players try and dicatate how someone should play a GAME. Do they pay there subs do they decide when they can log on and play a game ? No they dont it is about time to think about what you are writing and spouting this is at the end of the day a game not real life. If you are willing to pay for my game time and cover those then you have the right to tell anyone how they should play untill then you can suggest things to them but to dictate to them and abuse them by childish name calling shows your mentality not the other players.

One thing i can see from this is that the null sec corps that are shouting about. OK how about this senario how about nul sec corps allow mining without payment in your space and state that all mins can only be sold in your stations and not transprted to empire. Are they gonna do this NOT A CHANCE as they want millions or even billions in isk for a licence to mine in there space. This is what it all biols down to at the end of the day these corps want isk for no risk or work they want miners to work and pay for there game time etc.

At the end of the day if you dont like hi sec miners dont buy any products in hi sec ever and let the market decide the outcome.
Tobias Durandal
Cruisers Crew
The Initiative.
#192 - 2012-06-26 13:07:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Tobias Durandal
You know, ten pages of watching people tell each other what they need to do, what the game needs to be, what the designer needs to do, very dull. Practically fell asleep over here.

That being said, my suggestion to those who are falling victim to ganking, buy or recruit security. Heavens know I've never turned down a nice piece of employment like that myself.

Those whinging on about highsec, who cares? Does it really chafe your ass so much what the guys building ships and mods are doing? Personally I've never cared.


Also, my opinion in unncessarily important to me.
Oisin Sandovar
Don't Die Interstellar Enterprises
#193 - 2012-06-26 13:14:30 UTC
figity wrote:
One very easy way to destroy hi sec miners if thats what you wanna do DONT BUY YOUR ORE IN HI SEC EVER. This would make the reward for the carebears or hi sec mining less profitable. Are the player who are detracting Hi sec player going to stop buying these mats I dont think so, I they did then the market in empire would crash and make it worthless to do the activity.

Why should a few corps or players try and dicatate how someone should play a GAME. Do they pay there subs do they decide when they can log on and play a game ? No they dont it is about time to think about what you are writing and spouting this is at the end of the day a game not real life. If you are willing to pay for my game time and cover those then you have the right to tell anyone how they should play untill then you can suggest things to them but to dictate to them and abuse them by childish name calling shows your mentality not the other players.

One thing i can see from this is that the null sec corps that are shouting about. OK how about this senario how about nul sec corps allow mining without payment in your space and state that all mins can only be sold in your stations and not transprted to empire. Are they gonna do this NOT A CHANCE as they want millions or even billions in isk for a licence to mine in there space. This is what it all biols down to at the end of the day these corps want isk for no risk or work they want miners to work and pay for there game time etc.

At the end of the day if you dont like hi sec miners dont buy any products in hi sec ever and let the market decide the outcome.

This all sounds reasonable, but the reason they are ganking high sec miners is to further the ends of the Goons leadership in terms of economic reasons. The hate and vitriol is the method the Goon leadership is using to foster the drive for people to go out and gank. That and some ISK.

All the forum raging is a way for them to generate content and grab attention.

TLDR - don't respond to their posts. It doesn't accomplish anything except to feed the trolls.

"And the only people I fear are those who never have doubts", Billy Joel, Shades of Grey
Aulx-Gao Ekanon
#194 - 2012-06-26 13:18:44 UTC
Oisin Sandovar wrote:
TLDR - don't respond to their posts. It doesn't accomplish anything except to feed the trolls.


If the trolls keep coming to the General Discussion trough to eat, won't that help keep them out of the game? Blink

_Naughty by nature, wicked by choice. _
Dave Stark
#195 - 2012-06-26 13:19:50 UTC
i think goons are playing a very clever game right now. although i could be way off the mark with what they're doing, but if i'm not then i think it's very clever.
Tobias Durandal
Cruisers Crew
The Initiative.
#196 - 2012-06-26 13:20:37 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
i think goons are playing a very clever game right now. although i could be way off the mark with what they're doing, but if i'm not then i think it's very clever.



A little tinfoil hat goes a long way.
Oisin Sandovar
Don't Die Interstellar Enterprises
#197 - 2012-06-26 13:22:05 UTC
Aulx-Gao Ekanon wrote:
Oisin Sandovar wrote:
TLDR - don't respond to their posts. It doesn't accomplish anything except to feed the trolls.


If the trolls keep coming to the General Discussion trough to eat, won't that help keep them out of the game? Blink

Heh, good point, I didn't think of that! Blink

"And the only people I fear are those who never have doubts", Billy Joel, Shades of Grey
Victoria Sin
Doomheim
#198 - 2012-06-26 13:26:02 UTC
Merin Ryskin wrote:
Victoria Sin wrote:
The only simple thing here is you. High sec is not "for newbies". It's for everyone and anyone. The idea that null sec is the end game is just rubbish. It's a different "lifestyle" in the sandbox, that's all.


Ever hear of this place called lowsec?

(Of course you haven't, since highsec pays better with minimal risk.)


You're piling BS upon BS. FYI I spend around half of my time in null and the other half in high sec. The only time I spend in low is when travelling between null and high in a cloaky. Nobody in their right mind except certain loons would spend any time in low sec. I'm not alone either. Look at the map. The majority of players are in high sec at any given time. High sec is where you do business.

It's laughable to suggest high sec is more profitable for miners than null. The only miners I see in high are doing what I do, which is obtaining low grade minerals for production because they don't want to mine lows in null sec, having to freighter it down, or they're flying fail-fits with fail-skills and trying to make a little cash from it. Some are noobs but many are like me and have been playing Eve since beta. In all that time I don't think I've ever heard a Dev suggest that High Sec is for new players and tutorials alone.
Dave Stark
#199 - 2012-06-26 13:29:12 UTC
Victoria Sin wrote:
It's laughable to suggest high sec is more profitable for miners than null.


when scordite, pyrox, and veld are all worth more than crokite, it's not laughable at all.

wrong, but not laughable.
Alaya Carrier
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#200 - 2012-06-26 13:34:04 UTC
Reech Yvormes wrote:
is that why people go to high sec to find newbies to gank?

i take it you need to do that because your life depends on it.

ie, its too risky for you to fight a competent miner?

because lions kill the weakest because they have to.

of course you could just be talking about hulks and people who bought their mining barge with plex....

PS it occured to me that maybe my experience would have been better if i started playing eve when there were still learning skills, that higher skilled players couldnt grief from me in one kill of my pod?

you could kill my mining vessels all day if you want aslong as you dont add days to my training times. thx.

thats all i guess. i think ive almost cried every tear i can.

might be able to wring out a few more. anyone got a violin. this really needs a violin.


You don't get those guys.

Their life, they very enjoyment in EvE completely depends on reading posts like yours.
This is how low they are, feeding on "your tears" and feeling a climax because they podded you.