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Devalued ISHUKONE Shirt? CCP Marketing Malpractice? [UPDATE]

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iskflakes
#101 - 2012-06-26 01:12:18 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
iskflakes wrote:
However some of us did pay 1b+ for a shirt, and CCP said they wouldn't change the prices of existing items, and that's exactly what they've done.


Items sold through the NEX.

This item was never sold via the NEX... or anywhere else for that matter.


Except, if you've looked recently, it IS on the NEX.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#102 - 2012-06-26 01:15:38 UTC
iskflakes wrote:
Except, if you've looked recently, it IS on the NEX.
…and they haven't changed the price of it in the NeX.
Disdaine
#103 - 2012-06-26 01:18:14 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Rikula wrote:
CCP making a fool of people that buy plex is not what CCP should want.
Good thing that they're not doing that, then.

The people in question got the PLEX they bought and a valuable item on top of that. The OP made a fool of himself by not cashing out early on an item that could only ever decrease in value.


Because Limited items always decrease in value.

Go have a look at the price history in market.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#104 - 2012-06-26 01:20:45 UTC
Disdaine wrote:
Because Limited items always decrease in value.
No, because indestructible items with a fixed price can never increase in value — they cannot become scarce and if the price increase, people will just go to the source and buy them from there.

Oh, and the shirt was not a “limited item”.
Rikula
Doomheim
#105 - 2012-06-26 01:23:36 UTC
Sidious Lord wrote:

You confuse the terms "value" and "price" here.


You may be right in a certain context that I "confused" these terms. But my overall point is correct, and I don't think that your point is helpful. Tippia said:
Tippia wrote:
…not to mention that the price for the shirt was zero before that, so if anything, it was actually made more expensive when it was released to the general public.


Well, price is relative to a particular offer. Suppose that someone has purchased the 13 plex offer and put the shirt on market for 100mil. While the offer is live, it has a price of $0 (though no-one can truly part out no money and get the shirt) AND a price of 100 mil = ~0.2 plex = ~$3, depending on context. Of course, no one could choose to pay $0 over $3 - they have to get a bundle.

After offer expires, with scarcity and demand, the shirt sells for around 2bil (with buy orders lower). Relative to those sellers, the price is 2bil = ~4 plex = ~$60. When CCP reintroduced it for the low price of 500 aurum, it then has a price of maybe $2 or 70 mil.

But again, prices are relative to contexts. So I don't see how that distinction is helpful. Even *if* we assume that the price was free in the initial offer, it is STILL true that prices went down after patch compared to pre-patch.
Disdaine
#106 - 2012-06-26 01:26:12 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Disdaine wrote:
Because Limited items always decrease in value.
No, because indestructible items with a fixed price can never increase in value — they cannot become scarce and if the price increase, people will just go to the source and buy them from there.

Oh, and the shirt was not a “limited item”.


Except there was only one source which expired which made the item limited.

This is probably why the price increased so much, from some 300mil to over 2bil in 5 months.

Maybe that price rise had something to do with the fact that people just couldn't go to the source and buy from there, hence making the item limited.

Roll
Rikula
Doomheim
#107 - 2012-06-26 01:27:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Rikula
And I want to remind that some things have definitely been added wrongly to the NEX, devaluing investment. Given that 4 items (by my count) were in error added, it is not a stretch to suppose that the ishukone and the red/black executor coats were also wrongly added.

Edit: It seems the duplicates have now been removed, but the damage has been more than done.
Lykouleon
Noble Sentiments
Second Empire.
#108 - 2012-06-26 01:28:50 UTC
Risky investments sometimes don't work out like they ought to.

Should have gone with Bitcoins, mayne.

Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER so I can hit them with my sword
No More Heroes
Boomer Humor
Snuffed Out
#109 - 2012-06-26 01:28:50 UTC
The Antiquarian wrote:
I try to keep myself calm, but this is just way too outrageous that I had to vent here again and again.

You, CCP, made it sound as if ISHUKONE SPECIAL EDITION Shirt was only available contingent upon the purchase of 13 X PLEXs several months ago. I didn't have to, but I took the damn bait, with the expectation that CCP and its honest marketing department will maintain the "uniqueness" and rarity of these special items.

But you decide to reward those who took that "extra leap of faith" by treating us like ***** and dingleberries and having these same items available for 50 cents each several months later. Where is fairness in this?

CCP, You should have MADE IT ADAMANTLY CLEAR FROM THE BEGINNING THAT AFTER 6 MONTHS, THESE SPECIAL ITEMS WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR 50 CENTS EACH!

CCP should make appropriate reparation by rewarding the previous faithful ISHUKONE SPECIAL SHIRT owners with other equivalent UNIQUE items.

Prior to this debacle, the shirt had a market value of approximately 1.2-1.3B. Now, it costs 11 million to purchase.


lol Lol

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#110 - 2012-06-26 01:33:53 UTC
Disdaine wrote:
Except there was only one source which expired which made the item limited.
…aside from there being nothing to suggest that it wouldn't reappear from other sources, since it wasn't labelled as a limited item.

Quote:
This is probably why the price increased so much, from some 300mil to over 2bil in 5 months.
Yes, people investing foolishly in a non-limited item will do that.
Disdaine
#111 - 2012-06-26 01:49:39 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Disdaine wrote:
Except there was only one source which expired which made the item limited.
…aside from there being nothing to suggest that it wouldn't reappear from other sources, since it wasn't labelled as a limited item.

Quote:
This is probably why the price increased so much, from some 300mil to over 2bil in 5 months.
Yes, people investing foolishly in a non-limited item will do that.


Except for the past six months it was limited wasn't it.

Maybe I should go and make a video to help you understand.
Rikula
Doomheim
#112 - 2012-06-26 01:51:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Rikula
Disdaine wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Disdaine wrote:
Except there was only one source which expired which made the item limited.
…aside from there being nothing to suggest that it wouldn't reappear from other sources, since it wasn't labelled as a limited item.

Quote:
This is probably why the price increased so much, from some 300mil to over 2bil in 5 months.
Yes, people investing foolishly in a non-limited item will do that.


Except for the past six months it was limited wasn't it.

Maybe I should go and make a video to help you understand.



And the fact that "special edition" is a poor choice of name for something that is clearly no longer special in any reasonable sense of the word.

Edit: the name itself strikes me as being particularly deceptive advertising for those who did purchase the plex'es or item based that.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#113 - 2012-06-26 01:51:49 UTC
iskflakes wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
iskflakes wrote:
However some of us did pay 1b+ for a shirt, and CCP said they wouldn't change the prices of existing items, and that's exactly what they've done.


Items sold through the NEX.

This item was never sold via the NEX... or anywhere else for that matter.


Except, if you've looked recently, it IS on the NEX.


That shirt did not already exist on the NEX, which is specifically what they were talking about.

Selective quoting isn't going to help your argument. Let me refresh your memory.

Quote:
Existing items from before June 19th will remain in the store, for now, at the current prices so that we don’t devalue the investment that some players have already made.


Underlined the pertinent part, which clearly shows they are talking about items previously sold in the NEX. Note that there is no guarantee that items previously sold at higher price points in the NEX will continue to be sold thru the NEX or may possibly be brought into line with other similar clothing items eventually.

Your free Special Edition shirt you got for purchasing 13 PLEX was never sold on the NEX and is not what they were discussing.

In fact, it has never previously been sold by CCP at any price, only on the open player driven market for whatever the market would bear.

No limited edition, no promises made regarding it what so ever.

I'm sorry you missed your opportunity to profit, but frankly you blew it. Thankfully, you haven't lost any money on your blunder, you received full value in the PLEX that you purchased, and your free gift is still worth at least a little.

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Disdaine
#114 - 2012-06-26 01:55:31 UTC
Quote:
Since the middle of 2011 we have had nearly 200 items of unreleased clothing sat in the EVE client waiting to be used.


Nekminnit.
Nikodiemus
Ganja Clade
Shadow Cartel
#115 - 2012-06-26 01:56:26 UTC
The Antiquarian wrote:
I try to keep myself calm, but this is just way too outrageous that I had to vent here again and again.

You, CCP, made it sound as if ISHUKONE SPECIAL EDITION Shirt was only available contingent upon the purchase of 13 X PLEXs several months ago. I didn't have to, but I took the damn bait, with the expectation that CCP and its honest marketing department will maintain the "uniqueness" and rarity of these special items.

But you decide to reward those who took that "extra leap of faith" by treating us like ***** and dingleberries and having these same items available for 50 cents each several months later. Where is fairness in this?

CCP, You should have MADE IT ADAMANTLY CLEAR FROM THE BEGINNING THAT AFTER 6 MONTHS, THESE SPECIAL ITEMS WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR 50 CENTS EACH!

CCP should make appropriate reparation by rewarding the previous faithful ISHUKONE SPECIAL SHIRT owners with other equivalent UNIQUE items.

Prior to this debacle, the shirt had a market value of approximately 1.2-1.3B. Now, it costs 11 million to purchase.


You also bought a monocle. Your argument is invalid.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#116 - 2012-06-26 01:58:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Disdaine wrote:
Except for the past six months it was limited wasn't it.
…and the store on the corner ran out of tea biscuits the other day. I suppose that made them “limited” as well. Roll

Rikula wrote:
And the fact that "special edition" is a poor choice of name for something that is clearly no longer special in any reasonable sense of the word.
Again, I have the special edition of Aliens right here in my book shelf, much like pretty much everyone I know. Come to think of it, what is the item actually called…?
SamedySam
Doomheim
#117 - 2012-06-26 02:09:05 UTC
Laughing so damn hard at OP right now. LolLolLolLolLolLolLolLol
Disdaine
#118 - 2012-06-26 02:13:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Disdaine
Tippia wrote:
]…and the store on the corner ran out of tea biscuits the other day. I suppose that made them “limited” as well. Roll


Now you're being facetious.

It's funny though watching you operate. Anything that doesn't bother you and you're quite the contrarian. UI changes and it's time to make a video complete with emasculated voice.

I would've thought you'd be too busy complaining about more items available for aurum that are destroying player run industry and killing the game to be posting here.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#119 - 2012-06-26 02:15:05 UTC
people are arguing about dumb crap they buy to play dress-up with their ~eve toonies~

lol

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
ACE McFACE
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#120 - 2012-06-26 02:16:12 UTC
Someones mad I got the shirt this morning for a bargin 500 AUR which I had left over from the 'EVE is real' thing

Now, more than ever, we need a dislike button.