EVE Fiction

As best I know - and I'm no lawyer or other law official - charges of murder or manslaughter can only be brought if the victim is permanently and irreversibly brought to a state of clinical death. Anything less than that is assault with a deadly weapon, attempted murder/manslaughter, etc.


Regardless of the ethical or religious debates about whether killing a capsuleer murder, perhaps the most important point is that most political entities in New Eden - even the pirate factions - seem to consider killing one to be murder, and those entities that choose to enforce laws against such things will respond as such.

This is my opinion of course, as New Eden clearly thinks differently. Or there must be some other reason why "killing" a capsuleer has more consequenses than killing thousands of baseliners.

But when you awake in your clone, let's say that you are changed by about 0.1%. There are things that people can do to you , while not killing you, that will change you a lot more. I would therefor reason that if killing a capsuleer = murder, then a lot of other things should be considered murder as well, like, for example, helping someone get rid of a drug addiction.

Meklon: I believe that was/is part of a tutorial created around Incarna. At the time it created some discussion on the older version of this forum, because players did not want to retcon their background story. CCP Dropbear responded by writing it was not a retcon, but that the way capsuleers are created changed.
He also mentioned there would be be some fiction created to get more into the details about this change in the creation process, and I think I read some fiction (canon or otherwise, I don't recall) about someone who had to kill himself (for legal reasons, initiation, or both) in order to become a capsuleer (Edit: or a DUST soldier), but I don't remember what it was called.

Anyway, a character that became a capsuleer before those days, and was never podkilled, is still in his original body, and not in a clone.

i was thinking about something like this the other day, so let me ask the question slightly differently.

To become a capsuleer you original birth self must die. Not only that but in effect you have to commit suicide with help from a technican. You scanned and then set into a clone of your own body. So is the clone a real person or a simulation of your original self running on chip and tissue.

It is interesting that a simulation of a human is acceptable but an AI is not. What is the difference and who decided that difference.

No.

We are not People.

Actually, I think it's closer to gradual banishment.

Sometimes murder cannot even be prosecuted as murder, as the law may vary depending on how long death is delayed after the assault that ultimately causes the death.

This was, at the time, a relatively high profile case, now gone cold.

Applying similar reasoning to our fictional universe (while it is doubtful the laws governing the four empires are in any way similar to the Nevada law of 14 years ago) it could be argued that the podded capsuleer has recovered from death, it would not be classified as murder.

Well, as someone else already pointed out, is it really “him” who comes back? Or another person who happens to share a lot of his DNA and memories?

I guess if they are the 'legal' embodiment of a person in name, property and entitlement, then yes.

If you wish to take a physiological approach, then you could argue that as the cells of a human body alter and change over time - then someone past 7 years of comitting said murder cannot be legally charged with a murder as they are 100% a different person.

This, all comes back to the legal definitions within Concord and I'd use that as a base comparision, extrapolating whatever I wanted to, that would fit the story I wish to tell.

You can always use a sleight of hand and have a side character arguing the whys and whereforths contained within the construct of your scene(s), that perhaps would shine a small light on some of the thought processes someone might go through with this topic.

I think unless 'this' is a major plot point, or has bearing elsewhere in your story - just ignore it, have a coke and a smile and move on.

AK

If all the different pirate factions agree on using latin names for their ranks conventions... Doesn't that imply that latin is the common language in the world of EVE?