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Gallente Vs Caldari PVP

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Dread Slurr
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2012-06-25 23:35:55 UTC
I am having a hell of a time deciding which race to specialize in first. I have narrowed it down to caldari or gallente.

My partner flies minmatar, and i cant stand the look.
Amarr seems a bit too 1-dimensional to me with limited dmg types and armor tanking.


PROS
I love the look and the missile concept of caldari, and although its alot of additional training, the hybrid weapons provide more options.

Gallente seems to be really well balanced with good ship selection in all classes. They also have the benefit of increased drone usage.

CONS
I hear that missiles and rockets are underpowered, and not as versatile as they seem since the bonuses are to kinetic. Also caldari seem more challenging to find a good ship in each class and require more training than others (merlin hybrid, drake missiles etc)

For gallente i just dont know enough about drones. I have found pet classes to be weak in pvp in mmos in general. How useful are drones and are the utility drones (web, scram etc) ever used or is it mainly dmg?


I am mainly focused in smaller ships since i expect mostly small fleet gank groups.

Any insight into these 2 races and comparison between the two would be really appreciated.

thanks!
Forum Clone 77777
Doomheim
#2 - 2012-06-26 01:03:16 UTC
Well I guess you could say that caldari needs more training to use ALL of its ships well, but youl want to specialise, so you could pick missiles, since theyre easy to get into if thats your thing.
They do have good pvp boats though, not only missile boats but also gun boats.
Another thing to note about the 5% to kinetic is that most pvp fits will be basically using omni tanks. It would be hilariously stupid to overtank EM/Therm only to meet a guy using blasters. So it doesnt mean as much as you might think, for normal pvp circumstances (unless the enemy knows what youre bringing and fits for it)

Gallente.. Has alot of drone boats, drones are very usefull depending on situation, in smaller engagements drones can and will make or break a fight. The more ships you add the less of an effect drones have.
Ive seen people use all kinds of drones in pvp, repper drones, ECM drones (annoying as hell) and obviously dps drones. I havent seen webber drones used, so I figure theyre pretty bad.
Drone boats also have guns, use guns, if those are the ships you want to use. But obviously, the other factions ships also have drone bays, gallente just usually has larger drone bays, or the other factions have some ships that are lacking the drone bay.
Its not like youre locked in any way by choosing what faction youl be flying.
Forest Archer
State War Academy
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-06-26 01:45:31 UTC
The reason web drones aren't used is they only come in the large variant which is extremely slow so it can't catch thier target though it was announced per-inferno that they plan to release small and medium variants but they weren't ready by infernos release.

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Melted Yeti
Doomheim
#4 - 2012-06-26 03:12:42 UTC
Forest Archer wrote:
The reason web drones aren't used is they only come in the large variant which is extremely slow so it can't catch thier target though it was announced per-inferno that they plan to release small and medium variants but they weren't ready by infernos release.


The smaller versions have been released, there are medium and small webber drones, I think it is something like 10%, and 5% web respectively.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-06-26 07:45:33 UTC
Dread Slurr wrote:
My partner flies minmatar, and i cant stand the look.


I love how people turn down races they (don't) want to fly by looks and now how they work.

Sounds like, I don't want that good tool cause it doesn't look good.

Ships are tools, pick the one that does the job the best, not the one that looks the best.

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Shadow Cartel
#6 - 2012-06-26 08:18:33 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
Dread Slurr wrote:
My partner flies minmatar, and i cant stand the look.


I love how people turn down races they (don't) want to fly by looks and now how they work.

Sounds like, I don't want that good tool cause it doesn't look good.

Ships are tools, pick the one that does the job the best, not the one that looks the best.


Spaceships are spaceships, and of course looks matter Cool I love spaceships and they need to be sexy!

Quote:
For gallente i just dont know enough about drones. I have found pet classes to be weak in pvp in mmos in general. How useful are drones and are the utility drones (web, scram etc) ever used or is it mainly dmg?


Gallente is not just a drone race, in fact majority of the hulls are meant for blasters. All drone boats can also use hybrid turrets, or use high slots for utility, making them very versatile. Damage drones come in many shapes, and are very viable weapons in small gang combat and PVE. Utility drones could be better, and drone boats don't receive any bonuses to their effects. I do keep ECM, web and repair drones in some of my ships in addition to dps drones.

Quote:
Gallente seems to be really well balanced with good ship selection in all classes. They also have the benefit of increased drone usage.


This is my opinion as well, we have great choices across all the classes. For small gang PVP, you can't go wrong with Gallente. I just reached 30mil SP in pure Gallente skills, and have absolutely no wishes to crosstrain yet.

In large scale sov combat, Gallente lacks the "line ship" battlecruiser and battleship options, but in those Gallente fills the more interesting roles (recons, heavy tackle, anti-support, caps & supers!) and you don't have to be the faceless grunt :)

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Mike Whiite
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-06-26 14:07:37 UTC
Dread Slurr wrote:
I CONS
I hear that missiles and rockets are underpowered,


Forum Search -> Heavy missiles, it will give you an endlless list of people whining about how over powered they are.

Forum Search -> Drake, it will give you an endlless list of people whining about how over powered they are.

Forum Search -> Tengu, it will give you an endlless list of people whining about how over powered they are.


People will say a lot of things: underpowered overpowered, missiles are fine for both PvE and PvP, just different and that asks for a different aproach.


Also caldari seem more challenging to find a good ship in each class and require more training than others (merlin hybrid, drake missiles etc)


It's easy to fly an entire line of ships with one of the two Weapon systems, with good ships.


Hybrid: Merlin, Comerant, Moa, Ferrox, Naga, Rokh (Rather easy to step to Gallente and back)

Missiles: Kestrel, Caracal, Drake, Raven (all Caldari Navy issues are Missile ships as well: Hookbill, Ospray Navy, Caracal Navy, Scorpion Navy, Raven Navy are all very good ships as well)


One of the Best advice I got when I started playing, One or the other doesn't really matter but do choose one, for your first year or be bad with both weapon systems.



Ano Regni
YOKELS
#8 - 2012-06-26 17:41:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Ano Regni
I'm gallente but Have began to skill up on amarr and minmatar ships (yes, against the judgement of more experienced players) solely because of looks alone!!!, they are so ugly (or I should say deformed) that its embarrasing to fly them :)

I don't know why CCP its so bent on creating deformed, uneven, and imbalanced ship designs but I personally try and find the nice, even, petfectly proportioned ships to fly, myself. Call it preference.

So to me, looks do matter.

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Lyric Lahnder
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-06-26 18:39:51 UTC
Caldari Are more flexible then gallente.

If your blaster centered you will suffer range issues, If your ship is rail centered you will suffer tracking issues.

If you fly drone boats and you use sentrys your mobility is hampered. If you use heavies or mediums you will have the same delay as missile travel time and much less range.

Dont get me wrong I love gallente, the proteus is ******* bad ass, and the ishtar is a BAWSS. I have used and seen more amar minmitar and caldari used in fleets then gallente.

The major drawback for caldari is its rather difficult to armor tank them reasonably so armor fleets wont have much of a place for you. But you could always do what I did and cross train to amar and fly the Sacrilege.

Damnations not bad either.

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Jouron
Hadon Shipping
#10 - 2012-06-26 18:53:41 UTC
Ano Regni wrote:
I'm gallente but Have began to skill up on amarr and minmatar ships (yes, against the judgement of more experienced players) solely because of looks alone!!!, they are so ugly (or I should say deformed) that its embarrasing to fly them :)

I don't know why CCP its so bent on creating deformed, uneven, and imbalanced ship designs but I personally try and find the nice, even, petfectly proportioned ships to fly, myself. Call it preference.

So to me, looks do matter.



Gallente Ship styles are gothic. Try not to attack what you dont understand. Sigh. I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Im glad the op called amar ships boring and Asymmetrical because they are, but hey they're fitting because they're Amarians.

Ano Regni
YOKELS
#11 - 2012-06-26 21:16:46 UTC
They're still ugly P

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Bree Okanata
Perkone
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-06-28 07:14:40 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
Dread Slurr wrote:
My partner flies minmatar, and i cant stand the look.


I love how people turn down races they (don't) want to fly by looks and now how they work.

Sounds like, I don't want that good tool cause it doesn't look good.

Ships are tools, pick the one that does the job the best, not the one that looks the best.


If the ships are more or less equal and nothing is "gimped", then looks are very important. I am training for a Scorpion Navy Issue. Why? Because it looks way cooler than a Raven NI. Raven is considered better, but looking cool is the better option when the differences are not that great.
Oraac Ensor
#13 - 2012-06-28 10:00:27 UTC
Jouron wrote:
Im glad the op called amar ships boring and Asymmetrical because they are, but hey they're fitting because they're Amarians.
He didn't, which is good because they're not - most Amarr ships are symmetrical.

Bree Okanata wrote:
If the ships are more or less equal and nothing is "gimped", then looks are very important. I am training for a Scorpion Navy Issue. Why? Because it looks way cooler than a Raven NI. Raven is considered better, but looking cool is the better option when the differences are not that great.
To me, the Raven hull is one of the best-looking in the whole of EVE and the Scorpion looks a bit silly.

So if this thread proves anything at all it's the truth of the adage quoted by Jouron that "beauty is in the eye of the beholder".
Mike Whiite
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#14 - 2012-06-28 10:08:50 UTC
Problem with the Raven is that it looks like that Javelin thrower from "The Twelve Tasks Of Asterix" Great right arm or wing in this case but an under evolved left arm/wing

Ano Regni
YOKELS
#15 - 2012-06-28 16:42:34 UTC
Has any body else noticed that if you take the side view of the front end of the brutix, it resembles the side profile of jay Leno?

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Eiladies Teritrium
Survival Research Laboratories
#16 - 2012-06-30 04:36:49 UTC
hmm, well your partner flies Minmatar, which can be either shield or armour tanked, short range autocannon, or long range artillery.

Caldari ships are only shield tanked, Gallente ships are armour tanked (like Amarr).

Caldari ships tend to use long range rail-guns and missiles, Gallente ships use short range blasters (which have some of the highest DPS in the game).

It's kind of like 'rock, paper, scissors' here. I would say choose a ship to compliment your Minmatar pilot's ships, interests and skills.

For example, your partner wants to fly in a rifter, a fast, hard hitting tackle frigate. Both Caldari and Gallente have some excellent frigates for a speed tackle, although a blaster (Gallente) is a better suited weapon.

You guys could also both keep your range in an artillery destroyer (Thrasher), or have one destroyer for close ranges/ tackle and one for long range DPS.

If you guys were to run incursions together, and he was shield tanked, you would be better off with shield tanked Caldari.

If your partner is a Minmatar loyalist, and the choices were for roleplay, it would make sense to fly Gallente.

It's more important to train your core skills though, which are transferrable to every ship. So it wouldn't hurt to cross-train to fly both Caldari and Gallente.
Ano Regni
YOKELS
#17 - 2012-06-30 20:39:21 UTC
I bought me a fed navy comet Just for fun and I have to admit, I am falling in love with this little guy, especially the bonuses on it, and yes, he is a galente ship but at least he is evenly proportioned (except for his Mohawk), so I guess I take back what I Said about galente ships.....well some off them :)

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#18 - 2012-07-01 01:12:32 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
Dread Slurr wrote:
My partner flies minmatar, and i cant stand the look.


I love how people turn down races they (don't) want to fly by looks and now how they work.

Sounds like, I don't want that good tool cause it doesn't look good.

Ships are tools, pick the one that does the job the best, not the one that looks the best.


Common MMO gamer flaw. Regardless of how awesome something is, if it doesn't look asthetically pleasing to their delicate eyes, they won't use it. They will demand that it be nerfed when other people use it against them though.

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