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Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#21 - 2012-06-25 20:32:02 UTC
Simi Kusoni wrote:
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
CCP has been shockingly bad at game design since the beginning. It took years to get EVE to the point where it was actually playable to begin with. It's hardly unexpected that they'd fail at simple things like basic math when they never test anything, can't be bothered to fix the bugs that people point out and have legendary levels of unfounded overconfidence in everything they do.

I must admit at times I wonder why CCP hasn't gone out of business, then I see games like star trek online and remember that whilst CCP are pretty shockingly bad, theyre marginally less bad than that. Besides, their heart is in the right place.

CCP's one redeeming feature is that, whilst coming close at times, they have never yet given in to pay to win or theme park MMO rubbish. For me, this where every other space MMO fails.

Edit: Please refrain from rumoring - ISD Stensson


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Grey Azorria
Federation Industries
#22 - 2012-06-25 20:34:58 UTC
Morganta wrote:
Grey Azorria wrote:

Maybe some poor intern was just told "increase payouts by 10%" so he that's exactly what he did. Though if that 105 thousand isk bothers you that much I'll give you it myself if it'll shut you up P


I think the point is math errors have no place in programming... PERIOD

And my point is that maybe it wasn't a maths error, but rather a communication error.

Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.

Sometimes when I post, I look at my sig and wish that I'd follow my own god damned advice.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#23 - 2012-06-25 20:38:51 UTC
I think that the new fix is
Super, really. All the bears
Did a very good job explaining why the nerf was a problem
Saving incursions is important.
At the same time,
Relative to that income
Everyone in the market has some inflation issues
But then again
All the incursionbears were adding a community feel
Demonstrated by how well the community stuck together post-nerf.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Morganta
The Greater Goon
#24 - 2012-06-25 20:40:59 UTC
Grey Azorria wrote:
Morganta wrote:
Grey Azorria wrote:

Maybe some poor intern was just told "increase payouts by 10%" so he that's exactly what he did. Though if that 105 thousand isk bothers you that much I'll give you it myself if it'll shut you up P


I think the point is math errors have no place in programming... PERIOD

And my point is that maybe it wasn't a maths error, but rather a communication error.


so no QA check to make sure the instruction was carried out correctly?
hundreds of people in one building and nobody follows up on work being carried out properly?

ok sure, hell of a way to run a railroad

I can see coding errors, that happens and can be over looked

but when you change a calculation value you always check the result, you mean to tell me they cant pull a log of that activity and immediately see if the calculation has been implemented correctly?
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#25 - 2012-06-25 20:44:05 UTC
Morganta wrote:
Grey Azorria wrote:
Morganta wrote:
Grey Azorria wrote:

Maybe some poor intern was just told "increase payouts by 10%" so he that's exactly what he did. Though if that 105 thousand isk bothers you that much I'll give you it myself if it'll shut you up P


I think the point is math errors have no place in programming... PERIOD

And my point is that maybe it wasn't a maths error, but rather a communication error.


so no QA check to make sure the instruction was carried out correctly?
hundreds of people in one building and nobody follows up on work being carried out properly?



Sounds about right.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
SeaBassSA
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#26 - 2012-06-25 20:53:05 UTC
File a bug report and move on.
Trader Lilly
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#27 - 2012-06-25 20:54:43 UTC
SeaBassSA wrote:
File a bug report and move on.



I hear Goonswarm knows quite well how to do that..... right?
SeaBassSA
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#28 - 2012-06-25 20:56:29 UTC
Trader Lilly wrote:
SeaBassSA wrote:
File a bug report and move on.



I hear Goonswarm knows quite well how to do that..... right?


We do it with style.
Hiram Alexander
State Reprisal
#29 - 2012-06-25 21:04:59 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
I think that the new fix is
Super, really. All the bears
Did a very good job explaining why the nerf was a problem
Saving incursions is important.
At the same time,
Relative to that income
Everyone in the market has some inflation issues
But then again
All the incursionbears were adding a community feel
Demonstrated by how well the community stuck together post-nerf.

Sneaky, sneaky... lol Pirate
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#30 - 2012-06-25 21:16:11 UTC
Hiram Alexander wrote:

Sneaky, sneaky... lol Pirate


I'm sure I don't know what you are talking about.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2012-06-25 21:44:21 UTC
Ban thread, lock OP...wait that's not right, but it is close enough.Lol

"I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." Calvin
Trader Lilly
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#32 - 2012-06-25 21:46:25 UTC
Mortimer Civeri wrote:
Ban thread, lock OP...wait that's not right, but it is close enough.Lol


For pointing out a mistake they made?
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#33 - 2012-06-25 21:47:09 UTC
Trader Lilly wrote:
Mortimer Civeri wrote:
Ban thread, lock OP...wait that's not right, but it is close enough.Lol


For pointing out a mistake they made?


Seems appropriate.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2012-06-25 22:04:46 UTC
Trader Lilly wrote:
Mortimer Civeri wrote:
Ban thread, lock OP...wait that's not right, but it is close enough.Lol


For pointing out a mistake they made?

The difference is trivial, stop complaining over 1%.

"I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." Calvin
Bridgette d'Iberville
Better Killing Through Chemistry
#35 - 2012-06-25 22:10:24 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
I think that the new fix is
Super, really. All the bears
Did a very good job explaining why the nerf was a problem
Saving incursions is important.
At the same time,
Relative to that income
Everyone in the market has some inflation issues
But then again
All the incursionbears were adding a community feel
Demonstrated by how well the community stuck together post-nerf.


LOL!

1/10

"I considered a career in griefing, but then realized that I would never achieve the level of tear generation that CCP manages to do each and every expansion."
Trader Lilly
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#36 - 2012-06-25 22:11:35 UTC
Mortimer Civeri wrote:
Trader Lilly wrote:
Mortimer Civeri wrote:
Ban thread, lock OP...wait that's not right, but it is close enough.Lol


For pointing out a mistake they made?

The difference is trivial, stop complaining over 1%.


Its not about the ISK.. which at least some ppl seem to understand...
Mons Pubis Giganticus
Doomheim
#37 - 2012-06-26 00:46:50 UTC
i don't
chris1945
Ambivalence Co-operative
#38 - 2012-06-26 10:27:35 UTC  |  Edited by: chris1945
Trader Lilly wrote:
....
Here is the correct formula...

(x / 90) * 100
.....


Trader Lilly, excellent job. I guess it was really hard to find out this formula. But this really does not help at the moment. Now they need the new formula for the current situation. So I tried it, but it was a really hard work. I've failed many times, but finally I got it:

CCP please use this formula for the next patch-fix-patch:

( X / 99 ) * 100
Josef Djugashvilis
#39 - 2012-06-26 11:34:23 UTC
Grey Azorria wrote:
Trader Lilly wrote:
Patchnotes are saying that they rerolled the 10% payment nerf for incursions but actually they did not... they betray the poor incursion runners by 1%

Before the nerf the max payout in high sec was 10.5 Million... they nerfed that down to 9.45m which is 90% of 10.5m.

x * 0.9

now to reroll that nerf this is what they used.

x*1.1

which ends up in a payment of 10.395 million

Here is the correct formula...

(x / 90) * 100

No need to say thanks though.. just fix it.

Edit: Title is changed for this topic. Personal attacks to CCP staff removed. Please be constructive while posting, without insulting dev team - ISD Stensson

Maybe some poor intern was just told "increase payouts by 10%" so he that's exactly what he did. Though if that 105 thousand isk bothers you that much I'll give you it myself if it'll shut you up P


If you give me 105,000 a day, I promise never to speak to you.

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Laila Kumaki
Nex quod Principatus
#40 - 2012-06-26 11:51:08 UTC
It's kind of alarming to see a mod go through an entire non-controversial thread and edit/redact every other post.
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