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Harbinger PVP Advice
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Saer Aeternus
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-06-25 12:23:42 UTC
I'm looking for some Harbinger advice. To give you a base to work from, it will be armor fit, to utilize my perfect armor skills and it will be used in low-sec / high-sec.

How would you fit one?
Do they compete with the Hurricanes and the Drakes?

Thanks.
Stellar Wanderer
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-06-25 15:20:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Stellar Wanderer
I typically run with this setup and like it a lot:


[Harbinger, Pvp - nano SHield]
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Tracking Enhancer II
Damage Control II

Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Warp Scrambler II
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script

Heavy Pulse Laser II x 6, Scorch/IN Multi

[empty high slot]

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

555DPS with hammers / 1300m/s / 16 sensor strength / 37KEHP

For armor you can look at:

[Harbinger, Armor Tank PVP]
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Damage Control II
Reactor Control Unit II
Heat Sink II

Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Warp Scrambler II
F-90 Positional Sensor Subroutines, Scan Resolution Script
Conjunctive Radar ECCM Scanning Array I

Heavy Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency M
[empty high slot]

Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I

Bucket lad of EHP, but slow.

823m/s
74,200EHP (omni)
31.4 sensor strength
456 dps with hammers

edit: for the armor version, being so slow might facilitate a long point.. haven't tried the fit
Arthello
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-06-25 15:50:29 UTC
[Harbinger, armor low-sec]

Pseudoelectron Containment Field I
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Reactor Control Unit II

Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Prototype ECCM Radar Sensor Cluster

Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I

Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I


Hammerhead II x5

This is how I would fit a Harbinger for low-sec brawling. Remember to overload your guns for a few cycles but don't burn them out. ECCM instead of a sensor booster, because let's face it there's enough of people that are hell bent on ruining a good fight with a Falcon or ECCM-drones. The web and neut will make sure you don't get embarassed by a t1 frig orbiting you at 500m. And if you're going in low-sec remember to use the proper implants.
Dark Pangolin
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#4 - 2012-06-25 18:46:45 UTC
Don't waste slots on fitting mods, its not worth the heavy pulse laz0rz.. This is the best fit I have come up with after some significant experimentation with the harby.

[Harbinger, Death's Head]

DC II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Adaptive Nano Membrane II

Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Warp Disruptor II
X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator
Medium Capacitor Booster II

Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M/Scorch M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M/Scorch M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M/Scorch M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M/Scorch M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M/Scorch M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M/Scorch M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M/Scorch M
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I

Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I


Vespa EC-600 x5

Switch out the EC-600s for damage drones if in fleets of 10+, otherwise stick with the EC-600, the jammin' power WAY outweighs the dps from the hammerheads. The Neut/Web combo provide ample protection against most figs. You are vulnerable to kiting frigs, especially ones that pack a TD. A well flown/fit kiting frig can solo you, but usually the piloting skills required are lacking, and they get too close or burn too straight for too long and you laz0rz will face pwn.

You are a match for any other BC, but FYI if they are shield fit chances are they will run from you. I find I still prefer the disruptor/web/neut to the scram/web/neut. I find mot things that kite me will never get in scram range anyway.

In my humble opinion this armor harb give you the best overall ability to engage targets and win. More specialized fits can be handy if you know exactly what youre fighting.
Saer Aeternus
Doomheim
#5 - 2012-06-25 21:03:47 UTC
Thanks for the great advice guys. I will surely be trying these armor fits.
Argosus
Waverunners
#6 - 2012-06-26 12:10:57 UTC
I've used this for a long time. Its pretty solid tbh.


[Harbinger, plate/rep]
Damage Control II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I

Medium Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I

Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I

Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I


Hammerhead II x5
Skelee VI
Appetite 4 Destruction
#7 - 2012-06-26 13:08:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Skelee VI
Nice fits but swap the medium cap booser for named. Any cap you save is good on harby! Been using this fit for small gang stuff. Mostly to get secondary point fast

Damage Control II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Heat Sink II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I

Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
'Langour' Drive Disruptor I
Sensor Booster II,Scan Resolution Script

Focused Medium Pulse Laser II,Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II,Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II,Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II,Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II,Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II,Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II,Imperial Navy Multifrequency M

Medium Energy Burst Aerator I
Medium Targeting System Subcontroller I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I

Hammerhead II x 5
Maeltstome
Ten Thousand Days
#8 - 2012-06-26 13:10:25 UTC
Focussed mediums are better DPS with 2 heat sinks than a heavy pulse with 1 heat sink and one RCU II

Better tracking and hap usage also.
Lyron-Baktos
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-06-26 14:34:32 UTC
armor - fmpl
shield - hpl
Dark Pangolin
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#10 - 2012-06-26 14:40:30 UTC
I do not wish to start a flaming war, but to those of you using the medium armor repairer and a plate, you;re not going to live long in a fleet fight. You may MAY live a little longer in a 1v1, but not when my overheated laz0rz and neut are draining your cap. Even with cap boosters you won;t be chugging along for too long before I tear through your reduced buffer. Those low slots are too valuable and a medium armor repairer is too slow and reps too little without a bonus. If you prefer an active armor ship, the Myrmidon is a BEAST! The Harby should make use of its large capacitor but an active/buffer fit is not the way to go. In most situations a medium neut will do you a lot more good than a medium armor repairer, in PvP anyway.
Paikis
Vapour Holdings
#11 - 2012-06-26 15:03:36 UTC
Dark Pangolin wrote:
In most situations a medium neut will do you a lot more good than a medium armor repairer, in PvP anyway.



WTB low slot neuts or high slot reppers.
Skelee VI
Appetite 4 Destruction
#12 - 2012-06-26 16:40:12 UTC
Dark Pangolin wrote:
I do not wish to start a flaming war, but to those of you using the medium armor repairer and a plate, you;re not going to live long in a fleet fight. You may MAY live a little longer in a 1v1, but not when my overheated laz0rz and neut are draining your cap. Even with cap boosters you won;t be chugging along for too long before I tear through your reduced buffer. Those low slots are too valuable and a medium armor repairer is too slow and reps too little without a bonus. If you prefer an active armor ship, the Myrmidon is a BEAST! The Harby should make use of its large capacitor but an active/buffer fit is not the way to go. In most situations a medium neut will do you a lot more good than a medium armor repairer, in PvP anyway.




I tanked at a gatecamp for 5 mins, as my maties went to get some ships to kill agressers! But it all depends on stiuation and what your mates are flying.
Dark Pangolin
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#13 - 2012-06-26 18:21:30 UTC
Paikis wrote:
Dark Pangolin wrote:
In most situations a medium neut will do you a lot more good than a medium armor repairer, in PvP anyway.



WTB low slot neuts or high slot reppers.


I meant that you are better off with a neut in the high rather than wasting the fitting on a repper in the lows. Fitting the Harb the way i did above is a tight fit. if you put on a repper you give up resists, or dps (heat sink) and the power grid/CPU to fit a Medium neut.

Think, THEN speak. ok?
Dark Pangolin
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#14 - 2012-06-26 18:23:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Dark Pangolin
Skelee VI wrote:
Dark Pangolin wrote:
I do not wish to start a flaming war, but to those of you using the medium armor repairer and a plate, you;re not going to live long in a fleet fight. You may MAY live a little longer in a 1v1, but not when my overheated laz0rz and neut are draining your cap. Even with cap boosters you won;t be chugging along for too long before I tear through your reduced buffer. Those low slots are too valuable and a medium armor repairer is too slow and reps too little without a bonus. If you prefer an active armor ship, the Myrmidon is a BEAST! The Harby should make use of its large capacitor but an active/buffer fit is not the way to go. In most situations a medium neut will do you a lot more good than a medium armor repairer, in PvP anyway.




I tanked at a gatecamp for 5 mins, as my maties went to get some ships to kill agressers! But it all depends on stiuation and what your mates are flying.


Agreed, eve is very situation based. If you tanked a gate camp for 5 min solo, they must have had crap DPS. Even a full tank buffer fit Dual Plate Cane will melt in under a min to 5 well fit BCs.

I have tanked 3 Drakes a Cane and gate guns long enough for my 2 mates to make a 20 AU warp and win the fight (me in structure, 1 mate dead, all of them dead) in the fit above. But the pilots of the other BCs were mediocre and in shield ships. Once thier hardeners were off their shields melted rather badly to overheated conflagration...rock paper scissors and all that.

If you know you are facing 5 frigs or 5 drakes it makes sense to fit to fight what you know the enemy has. I still think for a general fit to fight an unknown enemy, a full buffer fit with a medium neut and web gives the most bang for the buck.