EVE General Discussion

Just because CCP had not officially stated that the vulnerability was an exploit, it does not mean it wasn't an exploit.

If I discovered a new way to hack into your personal computer that nobody else knew about, therefore it was not documented, and I proceeded to hack into your computer using this vulnerability - would that be OK with you? Since nobody has said that i can't do it - your firewalls, security measures and operating system are working as intended. SO you should be fine with me poking my nose around in your PC? - no, it is exploiting a vulnerability to do something illegal, whether its is documented or not.

Your arguments hold no weight. It was abuse of a vulnerability in the game mechanics, which IS by definition called an exploit.
The OP of the 4x4 thread stated it was an exploit himself.
CCP's own rules state that anybody knowingly abusing an exploit can be punished.

So, previous exploits like the PI bug, PA, and Insurance payouts, and all these others you keep mentioning obviously were not punished hard enough, since people still think they can get away with abusing exploits - to the point where they gloat about it on the forums, rub the game designers face in it, and make a mockery of the game itself and those who play it.

Its time CCP HTFU and make an example of these arrogant cheaters with extreme punishment that clearly says - "if you break the rules, you gonna pay for it". This might actually deter future attacks on the game, instead of the lame slap on the wrist, oh you naughty pod pilot stuff we have seen in the past. The guys who did this are not idiots, they know what they did was wrong.

This will in no way "break the sandbox". Even the sandbox needs rules to maintain the integrity of sandbox style play.

Initially i was of the opinion that just taking the profits away would be enough of a punishment - i now believe bans are in order for those involved.

CCP - you need to send a clear message to overt future abuse of your product, otherwise people will continue to ruin your game.

Just because CCP had not officially stated that the vulnerability was an exploit, it does not mean it wasn't an exploit.

If I discovered a new way to hack into your personal computer that nobody else knew about, therefore it was not documented, and I proceeded to hack into your computer using this vulnerability - would that be OK with you? Since nobody has said that i can't do it - your firewalls, security measures and operating system are working as intended. SO you should be fine with me poking my nose around in your PC? - no, it is exploiting a vulnerability to do something illegal, whether it is documented or not.

Your arguments hold no weight. It was abuse of a vulnerability in the game mechanics, which IS by definition called an exploit.
The OP of the 4x4 thread stated it was an exploit himself.
CCP's own rules state that anybody knowingly abusing an exploit can be punished.

So, previous exploits like the PI bug, PA, and Insurance payouts, and all these others you keep mentioning obviously were not punished hard enough, since people still think they can get away with abusing exploits - to the point where they gloat about it on the forums, rub the game designers face in it, and make a mockery of the game itself and those who play it.

Its time CCP HTFU and make an example of these arrogant cheaters with extreme punishment that clearly says - "if you break the rules, you gonna pay for it". This might actually deter future attacks on the game, instead of the lame slap on the wrist, oh you naughty pod pilot stuff we have seen in the past. The guys who did this are not idiots, they know what they did was wrong.

This will in no way "break the sandbox". Even the sandbox needs rules to maintain the integrity of sandbox style play.

Initially i was of the opinion that just taking the profits away would be enough of a punishment - i now believe bans are in order for those involved.

CCP - you need to send a clear message to overt future abuse of your product, otherwise people will continue to ruin your game.

Just because CCP had not officially stated that the vulnerability was an exploit, it does not mean it wasn't an exploit.

If I discovered a new way to hack into your personal computer that nobody else knew about, therefore it was not documented, and I proceeded to hack into your computer using this vulnerability - would that be OK with you? Since nobody has said that i can't do it - your firewalls, security measures and operating system are working as intended. SO you should be fine with me poking my nose around in your PC? - no, it is exploiting a vulnerability to do something illegal, whether it is documented or not.

Your arguments hold no weight. It was abuse of a vulnerability in the game mechanics, which IS by definition called an exploit. The OP of the 4x4 thread stated it was an exploit himself. CCP's own rules state that anybody knowingly abusing an exploit can be punished.

So, previous exploits like the PI bug, PA, and Insurance payouts, and all these others you keep mentioning obviously were not punished hard enough, since people still think they can get away with abusing exploits - to the point where they gloat about it on the forums, rub the game designers face in it, and make a mockery of the game itself and those who play it.

Its time CCP HTFU and make an example of these arrogant cheaters with extreme punishment that clearly says - "if you break the rules, you gonna pay for it". This might actually deter future attacks on the game, instead of the lame slap on the wrist, oh you naughty pod pilot stuff we have seen in the past. The guys who did this are not idiots, they know what they did was wrong. This will in no way "break the sandbox". Even the sandbox needs rules to maintain the integrity of sandbox style play. Initially i was of the opinion that just taking the profits away would be enough of a punishment - i now believe bans are in order for those involved. CCP - you need to send a clear message to overt future abuse of your product, otherwise people will continue to ruin your game.

I cant belive anyone still cares. Is there not a game to played somewhere behind all this posturing?

I'm going to just

that some datacores were bought normally, prior to the FW debacle.

NO rule was broken. Goons abused a mechanic that CCP didn't think through.

Just like insurance. Just like the PA. Just like PI initially.

There is no rule against abusing intentional mechanics that are just bad ideas.




However, if CCP decides that the rules were broken, then I expect them to dish out the hand of punishment to everyone who made use of the mechanic. And everyone in FW who benefited.

They made them look like fools, when they could have just as easily informed them of the exploit with supporting evidence ( the uber nerd spreadsheet ) to back up the claims.

Exactly. And this is what the EULA Rules say must be done, and it was just exactly what was NOT done until much later and after exploitation.

That just does not seem to get through the thick skuls of the Goons, although most are under 20 yrs old and are obviously a part of the "I'm Uber-Entitled to everything in Life and will Lawyer my Way to Being Right" Generation.