EVE General Discussion

This idea is brand new and has never been suggested before. Bravo, you win +1 nobel prizes.

TLDR: People suggest it, people get laughed at by smart people, but continue to protest it would be a good idea, ccp ignores them.

Just go read any of the threadnaughts on this subject.

But no, it's a terrible idea, 0.0 players are often pvp players. but 0.0 players who live only in 0.0 still need a way to be able to make isk, and delayed local+ cloaks = impossible to rat or mine or plex with any degree of safety.

Who exactly will you be looking to shoot if nobody is ratting or mining in null cause double the isk income of highsec isn't worth always staying aligned and spamming dscan ?

Sure is a PITA when you can't be safe in nullsec eh.

In before nullbear rage...

prolly not because the entire reward aspect of 0.0 would have to be revamped from the ground up to account for the change in risk; you should go try pvping in wormholes, get some firsthand experience fighting in a no-local environment
hth

Did you just compare a 15 bil a month auto isk printer with an activity that people have to actually spend time at the computer and micromanage in order to make money?

No possible way to take it from someone? Afk cloakers, roaming gang, taking over their space, awoxing them, logoff traps in grav sites... I do it, it works, somehow, catch them at gates, bubble their station warpins, jump in and blitz the belts and anoms..

But implementing delayed local in it's current form is ridiculous. Say I'm in an alliance with too many damn titans for their own good (oh look, I am!) and can set up a titan in staging system, and another 3-4 at the edge of bridge range.

Now suddenly, I can project an entire gang/fleet to anywhere within 14 LY of my starting position without warning the instant my unseen in local, unseen on dscan cloaky recon drops a cyno. Mining op? you even have a protection fleet and scouts in adjacent systems? Not good enough. 20man gang of BC? Get hotdropped. Ratting in anything larger than a drake? Get hotdropped.

Watch local? oh it's useless. Watch dscan? Cant see the cyno arazu coming until It's too late. Get protection? not damn likely.

Result: nobody mines, or rats, in nullsec.

Nobody mines or rates, nobody has ships when it comes time to throw big lumps of people at each other.
PvP suffers when pve suffers.

A: Sure that works if your in a plex, which are a very small amount of nullsec income overall. As for missions, those are restricted to small pockets of nullsec. Most income for the average nullsec grunt comes from belt ratting, anoms, or mining, all of which people can find without decloaking, speaking in local, or deploying probes.

B: CCP has said local is not working as intended, but if their intent was to place in delayed local, they would have done so, they want to reduce the amount of effortless intel received, but they will have to replace it with a method whereby the residents, though module, or infrastructure, or scanner, can somehow detect enemies before they appear and light a cyno for 20 bombers.

C: CCP has enough economic analysts to know what a massive cut in nullsec income would do to thier game, where large scale nullsec pvp is their advertising flagship and where a disproportionate number of active players live.

Is it whine day for the Gank bears?


"EvE is too hard, make it easier for me to sneak up on defenseless carebears...."

Since this thread has in fact been done before i am going to leave this here as I have done in similar threads about the same topic:

Hidin in EVE - Why we cloak

Awfully tempting... hmm..