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Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2012-06-25 02:39:04 UTC
Smokeyblood wrote:
Zhilia Mann wrote:
Smokeyblood wrote:
Derath Ellecon wrote:
If you go into exploration with the first question being "will it pay out" you are likely to be dissapointed.


Why would I not go into it with that question, the entire purpose is to make isk to fund pvp.


If you want to reliably fund anything then exploration may not be the best staple activity for you. There are some very dry streaks occasionally offset with gold mines.

Or to put it another way: exploration doesn't make a great means to an end. If you're not interested in making it an end in itself (at least one among a few) then run missions.


Yea, I see what you are saying. My end is to PvP and PLEX an account, everything else is a means to that end.



Meh,

Same thing I was trying to impart only with fewer words. There are many things you can do in EVE which are a means to an end. Exploration is a journey.

Maybe you should try faction warfare. You can make some pretty decent isk. Most people fly cheap ships, which is still fun PVP. And the isk you make is done sometimes while PVPing.
Jelizza Arlath
Darkfall Helix
#22 - 2012-06-25 12:19:23 UTC
I've found exploration to be quite fun. I'm not doing it to fund PvP, or to become a billionaire in an internet spaceships game. Which might seem strange as most people in this game think it's about either 1) Get filthy rich or 2) Make other players go bang.

The exploration for me is just plain fun because I love popping open a box and not know if it's something worth alot or a big, black nothing.

On saturday I was flying around and I found barely anything... a few hundred K worth of salvage from magneto sites and combat sites, and maybe 4 million worth of modules from the rats. But yesterday I was exploring for about 2 hours and I found a BPC (which I'm actually not sure how much is worth yet *mental note to check contracts), as well as items worth 40 million (according to buy prices on the market for the region I was in).

Ontop of that I found a DED 4/10 site which noone had run yet. I finished the first pocket and got an armor resist module worth 12 million, in addition to howevermuch in salvage and modules from the destroyed ships. I then started on the 2nd pocket and cleared everything besides the Phi-protector battleship... sadly my Navy Caracal didn't have the DPS to break the tank, and my battlecruiser was 20 jumps away... plus it was 1am and I had a meeting at work at 7:15am... so I had to call it a night and leave that Phi behind (yes, it sucked majorly, but I can't put a game above RL). Who knows how many million ISK I left behind there... oh well.

Since I've got a miner in a Hulk too, I've scanned down Gravi sites and mined those out as well. The last site I found was a "Small hemorphite and jaspet deposit" in a 0.8 system. It yielded 180.000m3 of hemor/jaspet, which is ore you'd have to mine out of lowsec otherwise. Turned out to be very profitable for my miner, though I won't see the immediate results in ISK (though the game estimated the ore to just over 40mill with that new estimated price feature) since I use the minerals from the ore for building, then reselling products.

Either way, it's been decently good this weekend and I didn't play (or more accurately didn't do probing) for that long either. So you can make quite a bit if you are persistant, do probing in the right (less populated) systems to avoid too much competition and you have a bit of luck. If it makes enough to fund both PvP and PLEX'ing an account isn't for me to say since I never calculated the baseline on exploration profits over a 30 day period.

I do know you can get quite a few millions out of it for relatively little work and alot of luck. For newer players, exploration is definitely a way they can make some fast ISK (who wouldn't want 40 million worth of items from 2 hours work when the alternative was still doing L2 missions).
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#23 - 2012-06-25 12:51:21 UTC
FYI: the phi overseer is a loot pinata; best loot i had was an afterburner, a medium rep and an EANM for a total of ~400mil.

I should buy an Ishtar.
Jelizza Arlath
Darkfall Helix
#24 - 2012-06-25 13:47:08 UTC
Bah, rub it in why don't you! Blink

I can tell you this... I had a serious debate with myself at 1am last night whether or not I should go grab a battlecruiser and come back. However, 20 jumps to get it, 20 jumps back... then killing it.... I could have forgotten about being up for that meeting today. Not to mention the risk of someone else just popping in to finish it while I was late-night hopping with my battlecruiser across half the galaxy Sad

Simple truth is, I didn't expect to find an untouched DED 4/10 nearly 10 hours after the daily downtime / reset, so I never bothered moving up my combat ships other than my Cara for just mopping up combat sites and anomalies.

Win some, lose some, and RL trumps all Straight
Mnemosyne Gloob
#25 - 2012-06-25 13:57:27 UTC
Smokeyblood wrote:
Which one is actually more profitable, I do some low sec, mostly high sec, in a vexor working towards affording an ishtar but I just recently started and I am not sure if its worth it. I can fly a domi in 4's and I find them fairly boring but they are easy.

Honestly just looking to fun decent PvP abilities and maybe a plex, 1-2b a month is the goal.


As others have already said, you can't really compare a reliable income activity with one that works on 'luck'. That being said, i would think that if you do it in earnest, your 1-2 b are not out of reach - you might end up exploring full time, tho :).

Personally i never did missions, just like some 10 or 15 level 1 when i was young and for me i think it would become boring pretty quickly. Then again other people are sometimes quickly annoyed by probing in general or when they don't find stuff, so i guess there are activities for everyone.
Mnemosyne Gloob
#26 - 2012-06-25 14:00:46 UTC
Jelizza Arlath wrote:
Simple truth is, I didn't expect to find an untouched DED 4/10 nearly 10 hours after the daily downtime / reset, so I never bothered moving up my combat ships other than my Cara for just mopping up combat sites and anomalies.


Why do people still bring this up? Exploration sites are not 'populated' after downtime and they do not get 'thinned out' during the hours after.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#27 - 2012-06-25 17:23:31 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Smokeyblood wrote:
Zhilia Mann wrote:
If you want to reliably fund anything then exploration may not be the best staple activity for you. There are some very dry streaks occasionally offset with gold mines.

Or to put it another way: exploration doesn't make a great means to an end. If you're not interested in making it an end in itself (at least one among a few) then run missions.


Yea, I see what you are saying. My end is to PvP and PLEX an account, everything else is a means to that end.



Meh,

Same thing I was trying to impart only with fewer words. There are many things you can do in EVE which are a means to an end. Exploration is a journey.


Yup. I'm a master of rephrasery. But the point remains the same.

Derath Ellecon wrote:
Maybe you should try faction warfare. You can make some pretty decent isk. Most people fly cheap ships, which is still fun PVP. And the isk you make is done sometimes while PVPing.


This is probably a good suggestion.
Pinstar Colton
Sweet Asteroid Acres
#28 - 2012-06-25 17:39:35 UTC
What about the non DED exploration sites? Mags, Ladars and Radars? I'm assuming you'll run into those while scanning for DED sites. Are those worth it?

In the cat-and-mouse game that is low sec, there is no shame in learning to be a better mouse.

Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#29 - 2012-06-25 17:42:51 UTC
Pinstar Colton wrote:
What about the non DED exploration sites? Mags, Ladars and Radars? I'm assuming you'll run into those while scanning for DED sites. Are those worth it?


In high sec, radars are decent and mags are pretty much worthless. In low sec, mags are decent and radars are alright. When I started out (and I'm sure I wasn't the only one) these were my bread and butter with combat sites as a bonus. Now it's actually the other way around.

Ladars are their own deal entirely. They only pop up in ladar constellations and can be grouped into two categories: gas clouds (which need to be mined just like grav sites -- except with gas harvesters, natch) and combat/hacking sites. The combat/hacking sites can be quite worthwhile but are harder than mags/radars by a decent margin.
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