EVE General Discussion

Yes. If you're in an NPC corp, you're impossible to shoot.

There are so many design choices made back in the day which make no sense when viewed against other aspects of the game (like, say, the ease of which you do local manufacturing vs how easy it is in hisec), that I hope you've got a durable soapbox if you were to get on a soapbox on all of them, because you'll be up there for a while.

Yeah, see, the problem with your interpretation of this is that while people who identify themselves as hisec players generally have just experienced hisec, those who identify themselves as nullsec people generally have experienced a far broader aspect of the game. And when we point out hisec as being "too good a baseline", we do actually have a basis in facts and empirical evidence to show this as true, whereas hisec people generally have absolutely no clue what actually goes on in nullsec.

Like, for example, jumpbridges, which hisec pubbies will readily claim is one of the major power projection tools goonswarm has with which to rule the entire universe with.

and there is exactly what is wrong ,
you nullsec zealots do NOT want any change only thing they want is easy targets to shoot at since everybody close by in nullsec is blue and it is getting pretty boring out there
You created those monstrosities and now you all whine it is boring out there your dependancy on moongoo for a guaranteed income made you all blind on what else there is to do in this game
And don't give me that crap that EVE is only about PVP and blowing up ships because it is NOT
EVE is about competition , competition on every scale and in every level, and if you want to call blowing up your competitors ship pvp fine what ever
basic line in my opinion is that the super alliances took all competition out of nullsec and it is now up to them to allow CCP to introduce changes
I have several ideas how and what need to change so have many other people , one of them is to get rid of that dependancy on moongoo alone for their income
but i am only one voice

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It doesn't, and I'm presonally more interested in slots in a station than in a POS. What moving L4s to lowsec would do, however, is remove a hard lower cap for how low the rewards can be to entice players to do something other than L4s if they want to make "serious money" outside of f.ex market trading or scamming etc, although personally I think the better idea would probably be to just lower the payouts, not move them to lowsec outright.

What happened when anoms were added to nullsec? People flocked to nullsec to run them, CCP got the impact this change had on the economy and went "oh god help", so they nerfed them to **** and back, people moved back to L4s. Actually, that's not strictly true, by that time incursions had been released and people were learning how to game the **** out of them, so that was another 100m+/hour isk faucet in absolute safety. Which means that anom nerf (I hear it's 70-80m/h now, if you're not interrupted by reds/neuts) and L4s (I was going to mention incursions, but they're not very relevant anymore after they got nerfed back to L4 level income) both combined to depopulate null heavily (and I wouldn't be surprised if incursions initially also took out a bit of the WH population, but I'm not privvy to their reaction so I won't really guess too hard at that).

Now we've seen what happened to incursions after they went down to what I believe was around L4 level profitability (down from 2-3x L4 profitability, when gamed properly), they got abandoned, overnight. If L4s had been, say, 20m/hour or so at the most, incursions would probably still be fairly popular amongst people in hisec without depriving lowsec, nullsec or WHs of people. In fact, chances are the gap between incursions, l4s and other sec NPC shooting would potentially then be so great that the people running incursions and L4s would be hisec people who wouldn't go into nullsec anyways, while the gap would also be so large that f.ex nullsec guys would have to be seriously lazy to bother with them.


It doesn't, but CCP has said themselves that one of the major things someone can do in EVE to get hooked is to get out of NPC corps, as that drastically improves the gaming experience for the player. Add to that the fact that NPC chars are undeccable, and what you've basically got is an exploit for basically everyone to utilize as they see fit. I've no idea how this "ban NPC corps" would work, though, all I can comment on is how NPCs are used. Personally I don't really care much either way about NPCs, I've loathed and despised it every time I've been in an NPC corp because of the awful spelling of people and some of the pants on head ******** questions, comments or opinions which seem to prevale the NPC corp chats. But as long as I don't have to see NPC corpchat, I really don't care if they exist or not.


People in hisec have this notion that hisec isn't just high security, it's absolute security. EVE isn't a game where everyone is supposed to be totally secure, at any place, the only thing sponsoring ganking of miners contribute to anything is making sure hisec people know this. If this means someone'll go "you know what, I'd rather go make more money doing something else, like manufacturing or invention", that has the side-effect of making all mineral everyone else mines worth more. If they quit, oh well, they would've just mined until they got mindboggingly bored and quit in a year or two, instead of progressing to other content which might be more fun (they just don't realize it yet) and sticking by the game for even longer. I know I wouldn't have stuck with the game for as long as I have if my idea of eve fun was to mine for 5 hours straight, every day of the week.


I'm pretty sure those who are claiming they're "rolling in a pile of ISK from tech" are either the directors of goonswarm (in which case they literally are), or normal bees trolling pubbies. As for "making nullsec more profitable", one of the thing which L4s and to a large extent incursions (not anymore though trololol) has done is make the isk rewards which nullsec has to provide to entice f.ex nullsec people to move their L4 runners to nullsec to run anoms there instead so high that it threatens the already moderately stressed economy even further. The only thing I can think of offhand to let L4s be at the level they're at now while upping nullsec rewards even further, would be to f.ex up various isk sinks such as transaction costs or the like in hisec.

okay sure let me retype all the suggestions I've made in this thread already because you're too busy sperging about nullsec to read, I'll get right on that

Lies. Nullsec is nothing but jumpbridges projecting power in a 360 degree circle around the entire universe (and probably into hisec too, soon), nothing but technetium flowing to spawn isk into our coffers out of thin air, and everyone has a titan and uses it to blap absolutely everything. No matter what it is.

As Onictus writes, if you're not having fun in nullsec, you're in the wrong region of space - or doing it wrong.

So no comments on my NPC corp = Unable to board capital ship?