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Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#61 - 2011-10-07 20:11:38 UTC
using the game in an intended way i do not like is an exploit, because i am too dumb to tie my own shoes

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
jitabotter
Good Time Family Band Solution
#62 - 2011-10-07 20:12:17 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
if there ever comes a point when i need worthless pubbie jitabotters opinion on what the effect of a change to eve mechanics would be i will be too busy searching for a gun to end my life with the last shreads of my brain intact


I haven't given any opinions on any game mechanics. I'm giving an opinion on your conduct- you are making a fool of yourself over and over in thread after thread.
Teamosil
Good Time Family Band Solution
#63 - 2011-10-07 20:12:53 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
using the game in an intended way i do not like is an exploit, because i am too dumb to tie my own shoes


What the hell are you talking about?
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#64 - 2011-10-07 20:13:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Weaselior
suicide ganking with insurance is an exploit, as you can see from the bans ccp has handed down since worthless pubbies began complaining literally years ago

specifically, the complete lack of them, this makes sense to me because i am teamosil, champion of the lead paint eaters league

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#65 - 2011-10-07 20:14:08 UTC
jitabotter wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
if there ever comes a point when i need worthless pubbie jitabotters opinion on what the effect of a change to eve mechanics would be i will be too busy searching for a gun to end my life with the last shreads of my brain intact


I haven't given any opinions on any game mechanics. I'm giving an opinion on your conduct- you are making a fool of yourself over and over in thread after thread.


take my previous post, replace "what the effect of a change to eve mechanics would be" with "posting"

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Feligast
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#66 - 2011-10-07 20:15:18 UTC
Teamosil wrote:
Feligast wrote:
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.


It's when a player is able to gain an advantage, or avoid a disadvantage, by using some quirk in the game mechanics in a way it wasn't intended to be used. IMO suicide ganking a cheaper ship in an expensive ship that you've fitted so that the insurance payout will basically alleviate the death penalty is an exploit. Frankly, I don't think it's a huge deal. My point in my post was that insurance should be left as is, except for maybe closing that loophole. If they think that needs to be closed, that would be fine by me, but I would oppose getting rid of insurance across the board, which is what this thread is about..


I was right. In the context of EVE: Online, exploit doesn't mean what you think it means.
Teamosil
Good Time Family Band Solution
#67 - 2011-10-07 20:20:36 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
suicide ganking with insurance is an exploit, as you can see from the bans ccp has handed down since worthless pubbies began complaining literally years ago

specifically, the complete lack of them, this makes sense to me because i am teamosil, champion of the lead paint eaters league


Kiddo, again, my post was about that I think we should keep insurance. If CCP wants to close the suicide ganking insurance loophole, that's fine by me, but that's really beside the point of the thread. In my opinion, it is an exploit. If CCP doesn't see it that way, that's fine by me too.

You really need to chill out. You seem to have some kind of insecurity around suicide ganking or something. You're fixating.
Teamosil
Good Time Family Band Solution
#68 - 2011-10-07 20:21:07 UTC
Feligast wrote:
I was right. In the context of EVE: Online, exploit doesn't mean what you think it means.


Ok... How would you define it?
Dramaticus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#69 - 2011-10-07 20:22:31 UTC
i love lamp
*loses a mackinaw*

The 'do-nothing' member of the GoonSwarm Economic Warfare Cabal

The edge is REALLY hard to see at times but it DOES exist and in this case we were looking at a situation where a new feature created for all of our customers was being virtually curbstomped by five of them
jitabotter
Good Time Family Band Solution
#70 - 2011-10-07 20:22:40 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
take my previous post, replace "what the effect of a change to eve mechanics would be" with "posting"


Seriously man. You're just making yourself, and your corp, look silly. Have some dignity. Maybe focus on playing the game instead of trolling about it?
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#71 - 2011-10-07 20:23:00 UTC
an exploit is a way you can break the rules of eve online

things you don't like are not exploits

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#72 - 2011-10-07 20:23:55 UTC
jitabotter wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
take my previous post, replace "what the effect of a change to eve mechanics would be" with "posting"


Seriously man. You're just making yourself, and your corp, look silly. Have some dignity. Maybe focus on playing the game instead of trolling about it?


oh no

a worthless pubbie might have a poor opinion of goonswarm

oh well I guess i'll go slaughter a miner and feast on his entrails to gain the respect of the greater eve community for my corporation and alliance

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#73 - 2011-10-07 20:25:17 UTC
Teamosil wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
suicide ganking with insurance is an exploit, as you can see from the bans ccp has handed down since worthless pubbies began complaining literally years ago

specifically, the complete lack of them, this makes sense to me because i am teamosil, champion of the lead paint eaters league


Kiddo, again, my post was about that I think we should keep insurance. If CCP wants to close the suicide ganking insurance loophole, that's fine by me, but that's really beside the point of the thread. In my opinion, it is an exploit. If CCP doesn't see it that way, that's fine by me too.

You really need to chill out. You seem to have some kind of insecurity around suicide ganking or something. You're fixating.


normally i'd mock you but right now i would love to hear what an "insecurity around suicide ganking" would even be

like i would like a window into this crazy and am prepared to put mocking you on hold briefly to get it

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Teamosil
Good Time Family Band Solution
#74 - 2011-10-07 20:25:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Teamosil
Weaselior wrote:
an exploit is a way you can break the rules of eve online

things you don't like are not exploits


What rules? You just mean the TOS? The EULA? If so, that definition certainly doesn't include everything CCP has determined to be an exploit or everything that the player community pretty much all agree to be exploits...
Teamosil
Good Time Family Band Solution
#75 - 2011-10-07 20:26:58 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
normally i'd mock you but right now i would love to hear what an "insecurity around suicide ganking" would even be

like i would like a window into this crazy and am prepared to put mocking you on hold briefly to get it


I dunno what it is about man. You're just acting very weird about the issue. Hyper sensitive.
Dramaticus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#76 - 2011-10-07 20:28:08 UTC
Teamosil wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
normally i'd mock you but right now i would love to hear what an "insecurity around suicide ganking" would even be

like i would like a window into this crazy and am prepared to put mocking you on hold briefly to get it


I dunno what it is about man. You're just acting very weird about the issue. Hyper sensitive.


stop exploiting the subject

The 'do-nothing' member of the GoonSwarm Economic Warfare Cabal

The edge is REALLY hard to see at times but it DOES exist and in this case we were looking at a situation where a new feature created for all of our customers was being virtually curbstomped by five of them
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#77 - 2011-10-07 20:29:04 UTC
Teamosil wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
an exploit is a way you can break the rules of eve online

things you don't like are not exploits


What rules? You just mean the TOS? If so, that definition certainly doesn't include everything CCP has determined to be an exploit or everything that the player community pretty much all agree to be exploits...

a rule of eve online: if you shoot someone in highsec you lose your ship
an exploit related to this rule: if you save your ship, you used an exploit

a rule of eve online: moon reactors consume input to create output
an exploit related to this rule: a reactor creating ferrogel out of thin air is an exploit

thing that is not a rule in eve online: expensive ships should not be insured to suicide gank cheaper ships
not an exploit: insuring expensive ships to suicide gank cheaper ships

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#78 - 2011-10-07 20:29:53 UTC
Teamosil wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
normally i'd mock you but right now i would love to hear what an "insecurity around suicide ganking" would even be

like i would like a window into this crazy and am prepared to put mocking you on hold briefly to get it


I dunno what it is about man. You're just acting very weird about the issue. Hyper sensitive.


go on, explain your thinking, i would like to hear more about an insecurity around suicide ganking

what is it

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Feligast
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#79 - 2011-10-07 20:38:36 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
Teamosil wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
normally i'd mock you but right now i would love to hear what an "insecurity around suicide ganking" would even be

like i would like a window into this crazy and am prepared to put mocking you on hold briefly to get it


I dunno what it is about man. You're just acting very weird about the issue. Hyper sensitive.


go on, explain your thinking, i would like to hear more about an insecurity around suicide ganking

what is it


:allears:
Teamosil
Good Time Family Band Solution
#80 - 2011-10-07 20:40:21 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
a rule of eve online: if you shoot someone in highsec you lose your ship
an exploit related to this rule: if you save your ship, you used an exploit

a rule of eve online: moon reactors consume input to create output
an exploit related to this rule: a reactor creating ferrogel out of thin air is an exploit

thing that is not a rule in eve online: expensive ships should not be insured to suicide gank cheaper ships
not an exploit: insuring expensive ships to suicide gank cheaper ships


So by "the rules" you just means a list of things you have personally accepted as "how it is supposed to work". Well, not everybody agrees with you on all those. Some folks think that there is a "rule" that you should have to pay for ships you intentionally get blown up yourself. A suicide ganker is basically just scamming insurance to get a free ship so their ganking doesn't cost them anything. In some ways, it's the same thing as creating ferrogel out of thin air. It isn't like there is a right answer and a wrong answer about whether that is an exploit. There are no written rules about how this stuff is intended to work.

I don't have a big problem with suicide ganking. I like that you have to be on your toes even in hi sec. I got suicide ganked once a couple years ago and adapted so it never happened again. But IMO it's sullied by using the insurance system to evade the cost of that choice.

Dramaticus wrote:
stop exploiting the subject


LOL. Nice.