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Can i haz systems reset now plz?
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Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
#81 - 2012-06-24 13:43:54 UTC
Cynthia Nezmor wrote:
FIRST GENERAL wrote:
All i read in this thread is 'no i can't put an alt into minmatar militia to run missions because :RP:' and if you say you're not in it for the ISK but the goodfites, well then the whole occupancy aspect doesn't affect you anyways unless you're a pansy.

Not sure what so many Amarr are complaining about Roll

:workingasintended:


Ninja edit: don't play the "but i can't dock card" now because you'll always be able to dock in Kamela, unless maybe Minmatar bring caldari with their massive cap fleet into Kamela to evict us *hint hint*


Quote before edit/delete.

And to people in Caldari: stop hating Amarr because of a few dickheads.



we know ... kinda funny we agree in CEO chat we have just few special Amarr dickheads to hate .... sigh

to the topic

ad reset - will not happen and will not change/solve anything - I expect same topic from Gallente in 2 months, Caldari in 4 months and Minmatar in random time (cough CVA cough)
ad plexing after rehaul - sucks but gives u some isk. It requires same amount of organization like before and it is easier to defend ur homebases (till some 24/7 alliance arrives and decides it is time for ur to pack ur stuff)
ad roaming in current system - well i see most of us are stick to much smaller space now (even if it logicaly doesnt make sense).

So yes CCP made it - marketing wise they brought new people in (and many disgusted out) - we killed so many noobs in past month i cannot believe, they ****** up game and lp system (bravo to goons) and make it more exploitable for big corps. Make it more bloby (we have our own blob too - blob here, blob there) and reduced roaming gangs ops inside FW. In general we adapted and if you choose right systems and buddies u can have fun in all parts of eve, but FW system is now in middle of nowhere with new bugs which needs to be fixes and with no serious vision or perspective ahead (developers working on something diferent and CSM dont carenow).
Tanaka Sekigahara
United Space Marine Corp
#82 - 2012-06-24 16:43:31 UTC
Muad 'dib wrote:
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:

The only thing that should, and CCP Shregs already stated that will happen. Is a few perma bans and a few negative ISK balances...


so the isk that was made to be removed: but the LP that upgraded the systems that caused the window of exploit to open remains in and the knock on effects, left for the amarr to pick up the pieces?

That makes sense to you?

ooooooookay


/logicfail
a great example of how goons aren't here to destroy THE GAME, just YOUR GAME...
Vordak Kallager
Descendance.
GoonSwarm.
#83 - 2012-06-25 04:56:11 UTC
Veshta Yoshida wrote:
Vordak Kallager wrote:
....

*Cough*

Shakorites have only the illusion of an epeen to stroke so you might as well stop doing it in public, makes you look 'off''. Everything sov/occupancy related the Shakorites have achieved in the past and present is entirely and completely due to the utterly broken plexing mechanics .. ie. not your organization, leet pew, massive blobs, village idiots or turnip soup.

Bragging about how :awesome: you are in the sov/occupancy war with mechanics as lopsided as they are, is like a guy winning the lottery and claiming to be a financial genius.

But take heart, it seems CCP is intent on breaking FW even more before they set about fixing it .. so come 1.1 (eWar removal) and FW will be 10% gatecamps and 90% AB frigates passing each other in the night. Gonna be AWESOME! Big smile


Have you even been in FW in the past 3 months? What? LOL. Can you find some other thread to be irrelevant in?

Sa souvraya niende misain ye.
Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#84 - 2012-06-25 05:30:49 UTC
Vordak Kallager wrote:
Muad 'dib wrote:
Zen Guerrilla wrote:

What would a system reset be good for? You guys still couldn't dock in Auga to camp the station. Big smile


Your are correct.

But we would also get back kourm and houla, you guys would get booted out and have to retake it again and maybe actually earn somthing for real this time, with the new mechanics, not a mad nightnight dash before the mechanics change - like last time.


We held Huola months before any change was announced. And I remember the Amarr fighting pretty hard over Kourmonen leading up to Inferno. You lost. There was no ninja-steal. You are delusional.


And we held Auga for a year before that and fought back and forth right upto patch day, you had more people and tz coverage for the 4 hour flip - exactly my point you dont deserve the systems taken before - and you didnt deserve the players and isk you got like goons propped you up with t4/5.

thanks for helping me prove my point.

I want a system reset and understand we will still not have Auga, but we will get to fight for it fairly, not scared of a little fairness are you? :P

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Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
#85 - 2012-06-25 05:39:55 UTC
Muad 'dib wrote:
Vordak Kallager wrote:
Muad 'dib wrote:
Zen Guerrilla wrote:

What would a system reset be good for? You guys still couldn't dock in Auga to camp the station. Big smile


Your are correct.

But we would also get back kourm and houla, you guys would get booted out and have to retake it again and maybe actually earn somthing for real this time, with the new mechanics, not a mad nightnight dash before the mechanics change - like last time.


We held Huola months before any change was announced. And I remember the Amarr fighting pretty hard over Kourmonen leading up to Inferno. You lost. There was no ninja-steal. You are delusional.


And we held Auga for a year before that and fought back and forth right upto patch day, you had more people and tz coverage for the 4 hour flip - exactly my point you dont deserve the systems taken before - and you didnt deserve the players and isk you got like goons propped you up with t4/5.

thanks for helping me prove my point.

I want a system reset and understand we will still not have Auga, but we will get to fight for it fairly, not scared of a little fairness are you? :P



Eve is/was never fair ....

... actually CCP does not have it in their base .... that is why is EVE so hard for noobs.


... well we all know CCP Ytterdiot will never allow the prove of changes he did are wrong ... right? So this thread is kinda useless.
Vordak Kallager
Descendance.
GoonSwarm.
#86 - 2012-06-25 06:15:47 UTC
Muad 'dib wrote:
Vordak Kallager wrote:
Muad 'dib wrote:
Zen Guerrilla wrote:

What would a system reset be good for? You guys still couldn't dock in Auga to camp the station. Big smile


Your are correct.

But we would also get back kourm and houla, you guys would get booted out and have to retake it again and maybe actually earn somthing for real this time, with the new mechanics, not a mad nightnight dash before the mechanics change - like last time.


We held Huola months before any change was announced. And I remember the Amarr fighting pretty hard over Kourmonen leading up to Inferno. You lost. There was no ninja-steal. You are delusional.


And we held Auga for a year before that and fought back and forth right upto patch day, you had more people and tz coverage for the 4 hour flip - exactly my point you dont deserve the systems taken before - and you didnt deserve the players and isk you got like goons propped you up with t4/5.

thanks for helping me prove my point.

I want a system reset and understand we will still not have Auga, but we will get to fight for it fairly, not scared of a little fairness are you? :P


Yeah, and you lost it.

It's CCP's problem that we had more people or better cross-TZ communication/coordination?
It's CCP's problem that we didn't "deserve the players" (what the **** that even mean?)
Goons had nothing to do with our dominance of the warzone pre-Inferno and arguably post-Inferno too.

Sa souvraya niende misain ye.
Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#87 - 2012-06-25 06:42:16 UTC
no body on the minm side but roobosasa cared about systems till the patch notes came out, then minmatarr used their numbers around the tz to take our stuff.

you earned your systems before we could get the numbers around the clock to defend them and or take yours effectivly, minmatar were at a major advantage from a mechanic change and managed to hold them till the patch came in at which point the 4 hours after DT changed to 2 days solid plexing.

and you think you deserved any of those?

As to the minmattar gaining many players from the t4/t5 situation caused by the LP dumps from goons? how do you not see that?

new player sees fw changes, looks at factions, sees minmatar at t4/5, makes alt joins, makes the already heavily outnumbered amarr even harder to fight back. - its pretty simple.

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Vordak Kallager
Descendance.
GoonSwarm.
#88 - 2012-06-25 07:06:20 UTC
Muad 'dib wrote:
no body on the minm side but roobosasa cared about systems till the patch notes came out, then minmatarr used their numbers around the tz to take our stuff.

you earned your systems before we could get the numbers around the clock to defend them and or take yours effectivly, minmatar were at a major advantage from a mechanic change and managed to hold them till the patch came in at which point the 4 hours after DT changed to 2 days solid plexing.

and you think you deserved any of those?

As to the minmattar gaining many players from the t4/t5 situation caused by the LP dumps from goons? how do you not see that?

new player sees fw changes, looks at factions, sees minmatar at t4/5, makes alt joins, makes the already heavily outnumbered amarr even harder to fight back. - its pretty simple.



Yeah, we had the assets and people available to take advantage of the fact the system was changing. How is it our (or CCP's) fault that the Amarr didn't? Life's unfair, get over it.

Gaining many players? You mean, gaining mission farming alts and ****? Who gives a **** they don't benefit us. We sent every able-bodied PvP'r to the Amarr militia. You guys have **** tons of #s now, its not our fault you still don't coordinate. (Although you have been more lately, good for you.) I mean... Fweddit? New Eden Renegades? Moar Tears? and I can name countless others.

Sa souvraya niende misain ye.
Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#89 - 2012-06-25 07:10:02 UTC
Vordak Kallager wrote:


Yeah, we had the assets and people available to take advantage of the fact the system was changing. How is it our (or CCP's) fault that the Amarr didn't? Life's unfair, get over it.

Gaining many players? You mean, gaining mission farming alts and ****? Who gives a **** they don't benefit us. We sent every able-bodied PvP'r to the Amarr militia. You guys have **** tons of #s now, its not our fault you still don't coordinate. (Although you have been more lately, good for you.) I mean... Fweddit? New Eden Renegades? Moar Tears? and I can name countless others.



please calm down, i at no point said that its any players fault, its ccps and their broken bugged and exploitable mechanics.

The minmatar attitude to this is "screw you we are winning try harder" i am simply pointing out that this would not have been achieved without ccps intervention and that your efforts multiplied by the sway of the ongoing war at the time.

Have no doubt that if this patch happened a year ago+ we would likly be having the same discussion on opposing ends of the argument.


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Capitol One
Blue Canary
Watch This
#90 - 2012-06-25 07:22:19 UTC
Amarr Victor!
Shackle all the slaves!
Burn the heretics!
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
#91 - 2012-06-25 10:34:14 UTC
Capitol One wrote:
Amarr Victor!
Shackle all the slaves!
Burn the heretics!




and work with Gallente ... right WBR?Roll
Cat Casidy
Percussive Diplomacy
Sedition.
#92 - 2012-06-25 11:20:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Cat Casidy
Joanna Ramirez wrote:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
We dont need a reset. We need to remove LP from plexing once again until a better system for occupancy is devised and actual real dev time spend on implementing it. Also, revise the tier system so people can have some balance in their ability to afford ships for PvP.


What you have at stake here? You are part of a faction who does not want fights but remove your enemy entirely from face of low-sec. You have yourself said that "Occupancy does not interest me" since you can supposedly just go pirate on your whim. You have also hinted that you have ran so many missions that isk should not be a concern for you.

So am I right that basicly you want to have your cake and eat it too by being a low-sec pirate AND have legit wartargets whom you dont have to worry sentryguns about AND you want to be able to dock whereever you want since camping stations with instalockers is pr0-pvp and docking in hostile occupancy is perfectly normal?


Damar is mad; success, even though i have no idea what he's raving about this time

-edit I'm fairly shure i butchered the punctuation there but, oh well
Also Snakey ol' friend what is this? 1998?

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nasty1
R-.A.-G.-E
#93 - 2012-06-25 12:02:57 UTC
Amarr have lost their passion, it's interesting to see over the years the fighting, the crying, the wonderful people that have passed through the militia's.

Goons could have joined any side, I don't think their impact is as much as people think.

amarr was more focused on station camping, even when no one was in the station amarr would still camp it, amarr militia got fragmented over time unfortunately

minmatar have always kept their passion and been very disorganised, thanks to a few prominent people on our side, we managed to organise and we beat amarr while they were disorganised ( court them with their pants down ) which is not hard because weekdays they love hugging trees.

I too think there should be a reset, the whole four militia's because it's a new age, it's a new dawn and the sun is shining out of Uranus ( sounded funny in my head ) Gee

It was mostly minmatar's hard work that bought amarr to its knees, the likes of sasa and a few other fantastic people, you know who you are, they had passion, they had focus, they had goal's and they didn't station camp empty stations and flap their arms around.

The news that goons helped is very surprising to me, all I ever saw was the hard work that sasa and co put into making things happen.

If there's anyone to blame for the breakdown of amarr then it's got to be the station campers and the fragmentation, the loss of passion, you need to put effort into the game to make things happen, amarr didn't do this as a whole, where minmatar got organised and some people went beyond their duty and stayed up countless hours, I wasn't one of these great people by the way, just thought I would say.

But I would love to see a reset because you will see our passion and you will lose again

just my thoughts on the subject
Stalking Mantis
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#94 - 2012-06-25 12:10:48 UTC
To the OP. HTFU and undock and fight for it. Power is never given it is taken.

To be honest for over two months I have tried and tried again to set up proper fleets with inter amarr corporation co-ordination and time and time again came up short when looking at the opposition.

The problem was never the people that fleeted up with my fleets. Lord knows they gave it their all and went down in flames on my command on more than one occasion. For that I salute all the amarr that fleeted with me.

Fweddit will always have a special place in my heart because even though some of their leadership had 0.0 fat cat alts with supercapitols and titans they never saw themselves above getting into a frigate/destroyer/cruiser and dying in a ball of flames laughing on comms having a blast. (there is a certain Fweddit fleet comms recording that I believe is illigal in 13 of the 50 States of the United States. Just ask around for the link and see how much fun they are having).

My dissapointment lies with the so called 'seniors' of the Amarr Militia. The ones that have the ability to enforce pick-up fleets with proper logistics/scouting/leadership/target calling/input and unleash holy hell. I am looking at TMFED/WBR/ILAW etc. While I love most of the pilots in these three specific corps to death and have long standing relationships with many of them that date back to my rookie days in the caldari militia. I found a distinct lack of willingness to take co-ordination to a level on par with how the minmatar co-ordinate amongst themselves.

Each 'big-wig' corp has there own separate comms. And senior pilots consider shipping down from guardian/abbadon/T3 fleets to be blasphemy.

'ME?!?! ship down to a frigate or thrasher and pew pew?! BLASPHEMY!. I am to cool to be seen in anything that does not cost at least 250 million isk.!"

Problem with the 250 million isk ship is they wont undock without logistics. Thus the vicious cycle. I'm just going to undock from Kamela station with my Vindicator/Eos/Bhaalgorn every once in a while to remind myself I can fly this ship. Being way to cool to fly anything as 'mundane' as a stabber/rupture/cormorant/thrasher/blackbird'. Those are for pubbies. I am an elite pvper....ad nausiem

I found an opportunity to go back to Caldari space with some of my favorite wingman. People I enjoy flying with as well as a chance to fly against/with some old friends/enemies from the Gallente/Caldari conflict.

While some may say I am hightailing it to where the grass is greener and isk is easier to make. I assure you isk is a Visa transaction away from me as I am a working man and have little time to grind for my isk anyway. I want to log in/undock in whatever I can/want to fly and pvp. And in the past two months going through failure to another failure to capture/hold onto a few systems with fleets I gathered from the general militia while the 'senior' pilots stood by and watched became to much. I based my happiness in the game around how well my faction was doing. THIS WAS MY MISTAKE. A mistake I plan on correcting as of this post.

I look forward to flying with some old Caldari Friends again. And bid a good number of Amarr friends behind knowing that I have made many in my time in Amarr FW.

Getting back to not taking the responsibility of the well being of my faction as my concern and refocus on flying with people I love to fly with and have a blast regardless of who owns what systems and at what tier is my faction on.

To the Amarr 07
To the Caldari................I dedicate Ozzy Osbornes' song "Momma I'm coming Home" to you.

Amarr Liason Officer Extraordinare -->Check Out Amarrian Vengeance/Amarr FW History from 2011 to 2014 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=352629&find=unread
Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#95 - 2012-06-25 12:24:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Muad 'dib
Stalking Mantis wrote:
TL;DR

Tried, failed, fled to caldari again.


Im going to stay and against all odds, win back the amarr space and then the minnies space and when i do im going to stuff it down their throats so hard they will prey for death.

Enjoy your old caldari friends Mantis, im sure they will look forward to taking you back under their wing, your failed desperate heads hung as low as your passion to fight for anything.

Just be known minmaturds, you may be enjoying a ccp aided victory through luck and moving of goal posts, but our final victory made all the sweeter, riding my boat, aptly named "Amarr Victor" on the sea of your tears.

The days of reckoning are coming heathens, you will realize that your short lived time at the top will come crashing down around you and your so called friends will run and flip sides to gather whats left of their lives, as your shortly lived dreams crumble down around you all.

RP is fun.

love you all <3

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Stalking Mantis
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#96 - 2012-06-25 12:49:33 UTC
Muad 'dib wrote:


Im going to stay and against all odds, win back the amarr space and then the minnies space and when i do im going to stuff it down their throats so hard they will prey for death.



This is a good start. The whole let me ***** at CCP some more will do nothing. To pull off a victory with these odds stacked up against you would be shoving your fist and foot down the minnie mouth. Only problem is the need to adapt.

Will the seniors like yourself/WBR etc. adapt from the old days of 'hot drop o clock' to 'GASP' get into a cruiser/bc/frigate and lead a good old fun fleet to plex and take it back? Or will the 'seniors' just sit back and station spin in kamela while they are alt tabbed on their minmatar alts making isk?

I hope my friends in WBR don't take my comments as a personal attack. I just miss the days when WBR where the de facto movers and shakers of any faction they joined to the passive 'isk isk and more isk' pilots they have become today. A good portion of them made isk the way instead of the means.

Look forward to hearing the good news and Amarr really swinging the tide. In the meantime as I said I need to stop linking my in game happiness to how well my faction is doing to how much fun I have flying, winning and losing with people I truly enjoy in my fleet.

<3 You all

-Mantis Out

Amarr Liason Officer Extraordinare -->Check Out Amarrian Vengeance/Amarr FW History from 2011 to 2014 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=352629&find=unread
Smegma Cheesedog
Doomheim
#97 - 2012-06-25 12:55:54 UTC
Muad 'dib wrote:
Do i really expect CCP to wade in and reset the amarr/minmatar front, after they did not reset before the patch when minnies steamrollered amarr systems in anticipation of the patch?: no.

But its free to ask,while backing it up with a reasonable debate.

I need to stick to the free stuff, since my isk making and pvp career got harpooned from every angle.


your tears are juicy Mr. Timberlake
Wenron
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#98 - 2012-06-25 13:54:09 UTC
Muad 'dib wrote:


Just be known minmaturds, you may be enjoying a ccp aided victory through luck and moving of goal posts, but our final victory made all the sweeter, riding my boat, aptly named "Amarr Victor" on the sea of your tears.

The days of reckoning are coming heathens, you will realize that your short lived time at the top will come crashing down around you and your so called friends will run and flip sides to gather whats left of their lives, as your shortly lived dreams crumble down around you all.

RP is fun.

love you all <3



There is some spunk!

Bring it slaver. You will know the pain of seeing all that you hold dear at the mercy of the tribes. Your god will forsake you and your empress shall be put to work in our seediest pleasure hub.

<3 the pissed off former slaves.
Zarnak Wulf
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#99 - 2012-06-25 14:12:33 UTC
Five pages? WTF? The only argument response at this point should be coming at muzzle velocity.
Salicaz
Verrimus Caelum
#100 - 2012-06-25 16:50:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Salicaz
Stalking Mantis wrote:
Muad 'dib wrote:


Im going to stay and against all odds, win back the amarr space and then the minnies space and when i do im going to stuff it down their throats so hard they will prey for death.



This is a good start. The whole let me ***** at CCP some more will do nothing. To pull off a victory with these odds stacked up against you would be shoving your fist and foot down the minnie mouth. Only problem is the need to adapt.

Will the seniors like yourself/WBR etc. adapt from the old days of 'hot drop o clock' to 'GASP' get into a cruiser/bc/frigate and lead a good old fun fleet to plex and take it back? Or will the 'seniors' just sit back and station spin in kamela while they are alt tabbed on their minmatar alts making isk?

I hope my friends in WBR don't take my comments as a personal attack. I just miss the days when WBR where the de facto movers and shakers of any faction they joined to the passive 'isk isk and more isk' pilots they have become today. A good portion of them made isk the way instead of the means.

Look forward to hearing the good news and Amarr really swinging the tide. In the meantime as I said I need to stop linking my in game happiness to how well my faction is doing to how much fun I have flying, winning and losing with people I truly enjoy in my fleet.

<3 You all

-Mantis Out


<3 To be fair we tried. But general militia called us all elitist pricks and ****** us off (well before inferno details were announced). Now they expect us to hold their hand now it means something.

They had every option to join with us, many did. But the same old stuff of "what ship do you need? oh, Armour, let me travel to Amarr for one" or "Can I bring a drake to your guardian logi gang" isn't good in anyones books.