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Yonis Kador
KADORCORP
#1 - 2012-06-25 02:07:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Yonis Kador
I'm sure it's been asked before, but will there ever be a push toward joystick pvp in EvE?

I remember this older game called Tachyon: The Fringe that was similar to EvE in the sense that it had systems and gates, was space-themed, and you flew a customizable ship. The combat though was joystick-oriented and engaging. I'm sure there's a ton of similar flight sims out there where dogfighting involves barrel rolls etc.

In EvE, we orbit. Much of what we do is very linear. X rarely misses Y. One day I was thinking it would be cool if there were projectiles that would weaken all/specific attributes of an enemy ship. Attribute dampeners. But to balance the negatives, you could make it so they needed to be fired by line of sight. No targeting. But that's not possible.

Is there room for full range of motion combat in EvE? I think so. (Think of all the new hotkey combinations.) It would revolutionize gameplay.

If that's too drastic a change, and it stays as is, how about at least a camera option that keeps the target centered on the screen while the camera view is still on your own ship. When we orbit and fire in a dogfight, a lot of the scrolling done is to readjust the view. Why not have a camera view that keeps the targeted ship centered on the screen while the camera is on the player? It would, at minimum, provide a more effortless way to screencapture epic combat.


Yonis Kador
leviticus ander
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-06-25 04:43:53 UTC
Quote:
I'm sure it's been asked before, but will there ever be a push toward joystick pvp in EvE?

got that far and stopped. yes, it's been requested to death. it quite litterally CAN'T be done. it would force them to redesign the entire backend design of the system just to allow you to do even more unrealistic things in eve.
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#3 - 2012-06-25 05:24:09 UTC
leviticus ander wrote:
Quote:
I'm sure it's been asked before, but will there ever be a push toward joystick pvp in EvE?

got that far and stopped. yes, it's been requested to death. it quite litterally CAN'T be done. it would force them to redesign the entire backend design of the system just to allow you to do even more unrealistic things in eve.


This. It's just not possible with Eve's backend and today's hardware. Please try again once quantum computing catches on.

Eve isn't intended to be a spaceship flight simulator. It's a universe simulation. Fine ship control just isn't important in Eve and the extra server load would kill all the hamsters in an instant.

tl;dr: yes, it has been discussed before; no, it won't happen.
Max Therion
Jita Ikami Bank
#4 - 2012-06-25 06:03:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Max Therion
Although I will say that back in early 2004 I was feeling kinda good (new GF, new house, new job) and had just finished up playing the hell out of a copy of the Doom3 Beta so after wrapping that I went to the local big box store and bought two games that fine Spring day; Freelancer and EVE. Needless to say I put off even cracking the box on EVE until early 2005 because I was totally rapt with Freelance. Man that was a cool game! Go (joystick) pilot my ship through some serious pew pew (sadly it was all PvE) blowing up pirates and raiders to return to the station, jump on the dockside(WiS) and wander to the nearest bar to lay down some moves on that one NPC woman (Jun'ko Zane) handing me out missions in a futile attempt to chase her into bed and actually get a screen with that vision, yeah like Microsoft (the publisher) would ever allow MA content like GTA, etc.

Anyway, the dream of flying a heavily speed-tanked Dram or Crow all joystick style looping through the battlefield of EVE littered with still burning wreaks, C-beams glittering in the dark off the forward bow near the Tannhäuser Gate, and asteroids hurtling towards you is and always will be an impossible and forgotten dream that CCP will not ever understand or achieve. Meh, just close your eyes while you're in the heat of battle so we can blow you up and take your stuffz! <- is this all there is to EVE?

Link candy:
1) DOOM - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doom_3
2) Freelancer - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freelancer_(video_game)
3) Roy, the God of all androids - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tears_in_rain_soliloquy
Hyacinthine
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-06-27 02:01:13 UTC
Feel free to pitch this as an entirely new game to publishing companies, and point out EVE's lack of this to sell your idea. Make sure to hide the existence of Jumpgate (finally closed recently after 10 years) and Jumpgate Evolution (died before beta), where a working version of the game you envision has already been tried, although neither had a proper marketing push.
Tyranis Marcus
Bloody Heathens
#6 - 2012-06-27 02:13:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Tyranis Marcus
If you search around, you may be able to find some of the old posts of devs talking about how Eve was specifically and purposely designed to NOT be that type of game.

That used to disappoint me greatly, back in the day. Not so much, anymore, I suppose. I would really like to be able to change my ships direction of travel with keybinds, though. Anything other than having to double click in space as the only option.

On a related, but potentially derailing note, it'd be really nice to have the camera view angle tied to the ship rather than to space, also. Like if I turn my camera to look to the left while I'm orbiting something, my camera keeps looking to the left of my ship as I orbit, instead of maintaining it's direction of view in space and rotating around my ship so that I have to keep adjusting it if I want to look at my target.

Do not run. We are your friends.
Max Therion
Jita Ikami Bank
#7 - 2012-06-27 16:34:05 UTC
I did say "meh" in there at the end and I wasn't specifically supporting the OP, just reminiscing of days gone by. It's okay to read between the lines sometimes.
Max Therion
Jita Ikami Bank
#8 - 2012-06-27 16:46:51 UTC
Tyranis Marcus wrote:
On a related, but potentially derailing note, it'd be really nice to have the camera view angle tied to the ship rather than to space, also. Like if I turn my camera to look to the left while I'm orbiting something, my camera keeps looking to the left of my ship as I orbit, instead of maintaining it's direction of view in space and rotating around my ship so that I have to keep adjusting it if I want to look at my target.

I've always thought that CCP's explanation for this graphical behavior through the use of "Camera Drones" a tad bit odd and corny. If technology is advanced enough in the future I could see a scenario that the ships on-board sensors would be sufficient enough in conjunction with the ships computer to generate an omniscient 360 degree view of the space surrounding the vessel.

The EVE community is so diverse and varied that for CCP to satisfy us all; EVE would need to have every feature ever thought of, however then it would cease to be a game, because at that point it would be reality.

Additional Links:
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Camera_Drones_(Chronicle)
Tyranis Marcus
Bloody Heathens
#9 - 2012-06-27 23:46:27 UTC
Max Therion wrote:
I did say "meh" in there at the end and I wasn't specifically supporting the OP, just reminiscing of days gone by. It's okay to read between the lines sometimes.


Oh. I wasn't actually replying to your post. Guess I should have quoted.

Do not run. We are your friends.
Max Therion
Jita Ikami Bank
#10 - 2012-06-28 22:54:52 UTC
There is no deeper emergent ecosystem in all of online gaming as there is in the universe that is EVE Online. Here we live, pay taxes and die and then live another day to live and die and pay... To Live and Die in New Eden is both a curse and a blessing.

The main reason there needs to be new hauler is so that we can buy them, pay taxes on the stuff we sell that we hauled in them and then die in them at the hands of low-sec pirate gankers, come'on CCP you know this is the right thing to do - GO NEW HAULERS.

EVE's eco-system exists because CCP wills it to exist after careful listening and consideration from the players, what other MMO on Earth does that? Hint: Nulli Alia