EVE General Discussion

Wait. Has High Sec ever been nerfed? I mean, I could understand if you were ranting that they moved all the ice to null like they said they were going to, or if they moved all the L4 missions to low or null like they should, but... What nerfs are you suggesting have happened to High Sec?

The game should not changed to canned progression like WoW in order to let lazy cowards like you into 0.0.

If you are not gutsy enough for 0.0 then you don't belong there. There's people who made kingdoms in 0.0, if you fail even at the basic task of being a grunt and rat in there, then you don't deserve to be there.

What about YOU go find another game? You don't have the Badge Of Legitimacy to decide how the game is meant to be played. If an huge number of people love to shoot red crosses or mine rocks THEY shall be held tight by the game maker not the whiny 5% who choose to go outside in a WH yet rosick and want everybody to endure untold hardships minus the rewards for it.




Low sec can get 1 trillion of buff yet it will keep failing. Like 0.0.
They need to be scrapped and remade from zero. WHs are the only feature outside hi sec that works.

"That works" means that buffs or nerfs will only impact in a very limited way because what's the choice? To go to places that *don't work?* Why somebody should be so stupid to go in places that don't work, regardless of ISK?

Yes there is. Null sec is full of whiners...

Are you for real? *snip*. NO ONE in this game has to live up to your standards of what a "real" EVE player is. Anyone can go where ever they bloody well please. *snip]/i]? It's a bloody game FFS do you believe that you have some real courage because you go to Null and shoot your pretend ships? [i]*snip*


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ISD Dosnix

This idea flies in the face of the ppl who want to force ppl into 0.0 doesnt it?

We can go round and round on this, but the point is, the vast majority of what you speak are half truths or complete fabrications.

My alt ORGANIZED and RAN, FOR PROFIT, my old corp's (EDROP) industrial wing when we were in FCON.
I had 6-8 guys running at least 10 chars just making T2 stuff in RQH and a couple other crappy null sec systems.
We did all the invention/copying/mfg at POS's in about 3 systems centred around RQH.

We supplied our own corp's needs at cost, sold what we could locally in null at excellent prices, and moved the majority of the finished products to high sec hubs for resale. And we did just fine, thank you very much.

Null sec provides immense industrial opportunities RIGHT NOW, with the existing mechanics.
The fact that these opportunities are not taken advantage of is not due to the game mechanics, but due to the mentality of the null sec zealots who believe "Eve is about killing only, and industry has no place in Eve, especially in null."

It is not the fault of high sec industry that null sec leaders have no interest or will to create strong industrial bases.
If I could make an excellent industrial profit for my corp, living in FCON space, which was awful at protecting its own space, I can't imagine what I could do with a protected enclave in goons or test space.

ya but noone wants to her its their fault not ccp

i stopped caring about this game long long time ago, you should do too.... its plays much better. Its still crappy and i still log in every day asking why i log in. Realising theres no better replacement for eve. Im kinda a lazy person, i should be giving up on eve but i also do kinda find it a waste to not train my chaarcter. You see thats the real reson why alot of people still play, they think they miss out on something if they dont. Thats the EVE FACTOR, its something you cant describe why you keep loggin in. For many people its a different reson, personaly im a person thats sensitive for addictions. Helps me loggin in also. This game is this alive due people like me, creating our own fun environment. I dont care, dont think anyone else care, its commen knowlage ccp is incompetend. Eve is just not a fair game, deal with it, live with it or simply go to wow (or be a uber marketeer, and plex up your 4 accounts to not give ccp any rl iskies like i do)

I think you supply the evidence for my arguments for me. The NC (which was granted a complete monopoly on Technetium when Dominion came out) invested vast amounts of their isk into developing their expansive nullsec holdings into supporting newbie smallttime miners and industrialists like yourself, into the JB networks and station infrastructure to support them. Their opponents, the DRF, had invested zero isk into stations or industry (except CSAAs) or anything. In fact, they heavily restricted anyone who wanted to put up a POS for refining and thus manufacturing. Their economy was the most heavily regulated and controlled of any group in New Eden, and they heavily suppressed any attempts at native industry by their thousands of renters. They invested in caps/supercaps that could rapidly gunmine the materials into creating more supercaps in a cyclical arrangment and exported the excess to highsec (which had the sideeffect of killing mining in highsec) for years. They steamrolled the numerically and resource-superior Northern Coalition as a result. The survivors of that war became the CFC, who now jump freighter in everything in exchange for Technetium, and by most reports are the stronger for it.

So your experiences in 0.0 merely confirm what I've been saying - that resource gathering trumps industrial process in 0.0.


You'd probably line your pockets during times of peace and then bail when times got tough again. Your story is not exactly a ringing endorsement for nullsec alliance leaders to include indy carpetbaggers in their ranks.