EVE General Discussion

"stop trying to pass off your opinion as fact."

"opinion as fact." Well I found your problem.


Just because the person I quoted was inaccurate, does not invalidate my argument, and my argument was that if CCP were aware that FW LP rewards for kills could be farmed in this way, they should have made a statement that they would deem that an exploit. All CCP needed to do to prevent this whole debacle was make this statement,

"There might be a potential exploit in LP rewards for FW kills. We will monitor the situation and take apropriate action if the need arrises." and this whole drama filled episode would have gone *poof*.

When CCP doesn't say there even is a boundry there isn't one. and I will quote



Just because only 5 had the audacity to pull this off to this scale does not mean that there were only 5 doing it. This goes back to the first point, that if CCP doesn't say that it is/might be an exploit, then it isn't. And realy, you expect people, goon or not, to show restraint when a veritable ISK fountain is presented before their eyes?




CCP was warned this might happen, a lot of Minmatar FW people made bank besides "the 5", all that had to be done on CCPs part is to warn people 'DON'T!" and the problem would have been solved right out of the gate.

In fact I wonder if all those others who benefited greatly from this are being "punished" or if it is just the Goons.

I wouldn't expect anyone else other than the 5 to get punished, tbh, unless CCP deems some people's action pattern to be suspicious.

I wouldn't really hold my breath on that happening, to be honest.

and starting rumors that you know what youre talking about

From what I can gather they have a soft patch that already solves the most egregious problems, but a statement that manipulating the FW loyalty point rewards for faction kills is considered an exploit, and the banhammer is hitting anybody that does it, would really nail this down as an exploit to not push your luck with. With that done, they can get to work fixing the formula so that this can't be exploited in the future, and put in a future hotpatch.

Frankly I think they should have just used the base hull price alone, and not bothered with modules and cargo included in the calculation. It would have been much harder to spoof the formula with the volume of ships being sold, and salvaging the wrecks would have netted them any extra ISK.

Because of bacon.

You'll want http://www.goonswithspoons.com/Welcome_to_Goons_With_Spoons

it was the equivalent of finding out your banks cash points are know for software flaws occasionally, and discovering when after you look at your balance and then request $10 that the cash point gives you $50 instead due to a software "feature" you test again to verify the fault, then contact your bank who don't sound like they quite believe you, and on your way back out you look again at the cash point and decide to do it again as much as you can, you then deposit the money into your account with your bank, are you really surprised when they finish investigating and then remove from your account all the funds and interest you gained from the cash point along with other people who did the same? so in that example your tried to take advantage of a flaw "IE poor game mechanic design" and rightly had it reversed.



Really? you didn't expect the bank (CCP) to reclaim the money(LP&items) gained due to a flaw?



and if you abuse/exploit something and then get caught, will you really be surprised when the ban hammer comes swinging in?



you all sunk assets into this realizing full well there could be repercussions and consequences for doing so, with regards to aryth's data cores, they should be returned if it is indeed a mistake, but IF as I suspect assets you gained from the LP thing were sunk into items then sold on market or just sold on the market, CCP cant really go punishing innocent players who just happened to buy yours or any other GSF members sell orders off the market because they happened to come along at that pertic time looking for xyz item etc, so it sounds like CCP choose to take back assets at the LP cost equiv instead.
As said it's a guess, and if this is not the case then CCP should refund you them.



[Good deeds are spontaneous acts of kindness, accommodation, generosity, benevolence, charity, assistance, help, sympathy or aid, all performed with the simple intention of being helpful and no expectation for compensation of any kind

example of a doing a "Good Deed" as a selfless act of doing something good for another with no recognition ..not calling attention to the doer and not done in return for a favor

sorry but BULLS**T,
you might have done it to show CCP just how badly this had been put into place but you also did it to line your own pockets as well, so good deed? not even close.

and YES CCP should own upto their own mistake on this and appologise about it

"Dearest Market-Interested Space Tycoons,

At downtime today we made an adjustment to the average price of some items in order to curb a situation whereby the average price of an item could be manipulated in order to create a disparity between the value of an item in Isk and its value in Loyalty Point payouts. There will be additional changes in how this system works in the future. We will be monitoring for attempted manipulation of the LP market and will reverse any proceeds deemed to have been obtained through manipulative means. We are watching you. Don’t be That Guy."

you complain about this but care to explain why your not complaining about this? :

• Ally contracts have fixed length of two weeks
• Allies can not be part of mutual wars – defender cannot hire allies into mutual wars and existing ally contracts are cancelled (with a 24 hour grace period)
• Cap on War Dec cost – it will never have a base price of more than 500 mill regardless of corp/alliance membership (still affected by the number of wars you have declared)
• Added cost for hiring multiple allies for a war – hiring more than one ally now incur a cost that goes to CONCORD. The cost rises exponentially the more allies are hired into the same war.

http://jestertrek.blogspot.co.uk/2012/06/total-war.html

because it favors GSF and allows you to break the chains of a mutual war dec as the aggressor anytime you choose WITHOUT consequences "opps forgot to pay the war dec bill, nvm...."

In icelands case iirc the bankers and the politicians actualy did suffer legal consequences for it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Icelandic_financial_crisis_protests