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(Proposal) Cloaky reds in system & Macro miners in Eve, how to make life harder for them.

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Ribikoka
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#201 - 2012-06-24 06:50:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Ribikoka
Shazih Hasheesh wrote:
AFK Cloaking a problem? Is this a joke? How can they bother you if they are afk?

Can the OP please take off the tin foil hat?

1. If you are worried about the cloaked pilot sitting in your system, stay alert.
2. If the cloaked pilot is indeed Away From Keyboard, than he won't be there to cause problems.

An AFK tag is stupid idea, so is an auto disconnect imo. Both easily circumvented. Removing local or something similar is an interesting idea, but because I like the idea of people forming their own channels etc. The fact is cloaking is not broken.

OP said because nobody knows if cloaked pilot is AFK or not, they can terrorize other pilots risk free.
The lesson: Eve is a game where you should be alert 24/7, not cry because you can't see somebody.

On a side note, I would love to hear the story behind your hate of cloaked pilots!


Nice alt trying.

"Everyone knows why would be disturb the AFK tag some cloaky fags, who lying in this topic "I'm AFK at enemy systems and i cant kill anyone when i'm AFK", because they would be lost the chances to terrorizing active players in AFK."


"AFK cloakers plagued all systems. They are realy collecting intels alone in empty systems 24/7 time long?? LOL"

""Just as i said. It's time to create something what is should be change this bad game mechanic where a cloaker can hide in enemy system and can went out from his PC, 23 hours time long, without risk and where just wasting server resources without play.

"How many times i saw 3 weeks long intel collecting when a neutral alt at enemy system just logged on and went to AFK.
Intel collecting in AFK :PPP thats a joke argument."

Need solution for handling this. Capacitor useage for cloak, or fuel usage. Counter ship (seek and destroy) or AFK tag.""

And still we have a question.

"why disturb afk tag an afk player who not at the computer ?"


And everyone know NO RISK in AFK cloaking at enemy system it's time create a counter against them or AFK tag and the AFK players wont be disturb or terrorizing active players anymore.
Collecting intel in AFK it's lying.
Kaelie Onren
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#202 - 2012-06-24 11:05:32 UTC
Arduemont wrote:
Haha, Rib claimed that char wasn't his alt and it was cut by the ISD.

So they are his alts then. >.<

Kaelie Onren wrote:
I will answer them in FAQ style.

...


Also, this is a well put forward arguemnet.


Thank you! I'm glad it wasn't wasted :)
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#203 - 2012-06-24 11:05:42 UTC
Ribikoka wrote:
Shazih Hasheesh wrote:
AFK Cloaking a problem? Is this a joke? How can they bother you if they are afk?

Can the OP please take off the tin foil hat?

1. If you are worried about the cloaked pilot sitting in your system, stay alert.
2. If the cloaked pilot is indeed Away From Keyboard, than he won't be there to cause problems.

An AFK tag is stupid idea, so is an auto disconnect imo. Both easily circumvented. Removing local or something similar is an interesting idea, but because I like the idea of people forming their own channels etc. The fact is cloaking is not broken.

OP said because nobody knows if cloaked pilot is AFK or not, they can terrorize other pilots risk free.
The lesson: Eve is a game where you should be alert 24/7, not cry because you can't see somebody.

On a side note, I would love to hear the story behind your hate of cloaked pilots!


Nice alt trying.

"Everyone knows why would be disturb the AFK tag some cloaky fags, who lying in this topic "I'm AFK at enemy systems and i cant kill anyone when i'm AFK", because they would be lost the chances to terrorizing active players in AFK."


"AFK cloakers plagued all systems. They are realy collecting intels alone in empty systems 24/7 time long?? LOL"

""Just as i said. It's time to create something what is should be change this bad game mechanic where a cloaker can hide in enemy system and can went out from his PC, 23 hours time long, without risk and where just wasting server resources without play.

"How many times i saw 3 weeks long intel collecting when a neutral alt at enemy system just logged on and went to AFK.
Intel collecting in AFK :PPP thats a joke argument."

Need solution for handling this. Capacitor useage for cloak, or fuel usage. Counter ship (seek and destroy) or AFK tag.""

And still we have a question.

"why disturb afk tag an afk player who not at the computer ?"


And everyone know NO RISK in AFK cloaking at enemy system it's time create a counter against them or AFK tag and the AFK players wont be disturb or terrorizing active players anymore.
Collecting intel in AFK it's lying.




There's no risk in docking up or hiding in a pos when a red is reported in intel five jumps out. If you want cloaks nerfed, I want docking and POS nerfed.
Kaelie Onren
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#204 - 2012-06-24 11:10:01 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:



There's no risk in docking up or hiding in a pos when a red is reported in intel five jumps out. If you want cloaks nerfed, I want docking and POS nerfed.



Don't even bother with Rib Danika, he is stuck in a 'write-only' posting mode, where he just re-posts his old questions which everyone but his 3 alts have answered clearly, concisely, and conclusively. He just refuses to acknowledge reason and will just repost the questions.

Yelena Fedorova
#205 - 2012-06-24 11:56:56 UTC
Xorv wrote:
No one wants your two cents.


Remove Local Chat!


This

*grabs popcorn*
this should be entertaining
R0nnie VanZant
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#206 - 2012-06-24 13:37:42 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
Ribikoka wrote:
Shazih Hasheesh wrote:
AFK Cloaking a problem? Is this a joke? How can they bother you if they are afk?

Can the OP please take off the tin foil hat?

1. If you are worried about the cloaked pilot sitting in your system, stay alert.
2. If the cloaked pilot is indeed Away From Keyboard, than he won't be there to cause problems.

An AFK tag is stupid idea, so is an auto disconnect imo. Both easily circumvented. Removing local or something similar is an interesting idea, but because I like the idea of people forming their own channels etc. The fact is cloaking is not broken.

OP said because nobody knows if cloaked pilot is AFK or not, they can terrorize other pilots risk free.
The lesson: Eve is a game where you should be alert 24/7, not cry because you can't see somebody.

On a side note, I would love to hear the story behind your hate of cloaked pilots!


Nice alt trying.

"Everyone knows why would be disturb the AFK tag some cloaky fags, who lying in this topic "I'm AFK at enemy systems and i cant kill anyone when i'm AFK", because they would be lost the chances to terrorizing active players in AFK."


"AFK cloakers plagued all systems. They are realy collecting intels alone in empty systems 24/7 time long?? LOL"

""Just as i said. It's time to create something what is should be change this bad game mechanic where a cloaker can hide in enemy system and can went out from his PC, 23 hours time long, without risk and where just wasting server resources without play.

"How many times i saw 3 weeks long intel collecting when a neutral alt at enemy system just logged on and went to AFK.
Intel collecting in AFK :PPP thats a joke argument."

Need solution for handling this. Capacitor useage for cloak, or fuel usage. Counter ship (seek and destroy) or AFK tag.""

And still we have a question.

"why disturb afk tag an afk player who not at the computer ?"


And everyone know NO RISK in AFK cloaking at enemy system it's time create a counter against them or AFK tag and the AFK players wont be disturb or terrorizing active players anymore.
Collecting intel in AFK it's lying.




There's no risk in docking up or hiding in a pos when a red is reported in intel five jumps out. If you want cloaks nerfed, I want docking and POS nerfed.


Oh man thats make me mad! if i got nerfed neighbor will too... just anger talking from you, not a logical answer. Stations, and Pos means dock and log off or be AFK in a safety place. So could you tell me what is the meaning of AFK cloaking? When want to log off in a enemy system is a reason, when enemy gank follow you is a reason, or do sneaky attack, but just make a camp there is not reason. See now? Thats why we think better to do something against AFK cloaky faggs, and should be better for server also without them.
Ribikoka
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#207 - 2012-06-24 14:22:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Ribikoka
R0nnie VanZant wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:
Ribikoka wrote:
Shazih Hasheesh wrote:
AFK Cloaking a problem? Is this a joke? How can they bother you if they are afk?

Can the OP please take off the tin foil hat?

1. If you are worried about the cloaked pilot sitting in your system, stay alert.
2. If the cloaked pilot is indeed Away From Keyboard, than he won't be there to cause problems.

An AFK tag is stupid idea, so is an auto disconnect imo. Both easily circumvented. Removing local or something similar is an interesting idea, but because I like the idea of people forming their own channels etc. The fact is cloaking is not broken.

OP said because nobody knows if cloaked pilot is AFK or not, they can terrorize other pilots risk free.
The lesson: Eve is a game where you should be alert 24/7, not cry because you can't see somebody.

On a side note, I would love to hear the story behind your hate of cloaked pilots!


Nice alt trying.

"Everyone knows why would be disturb the AFK tag some cloaky fags, who lying in this topic "I'm AFK at enemy systems and i cant kill anyone when i'm AFK", because they would be lost the chances to terrorizing active players in AFK."


"AFK cloakers plagued all systems. They are realy collecting intels alone in empty systems 24/7 time long?? LOL"

""Just as i said. It's time to create something what is should be change this bad game mechanic where a cloaker can hide in enemy system and can went out from his PC, 23 hours time long, without risk and where just wasting server resources without play.

"How many times i saw 3 weeks long intel collecting when a neutral alt at enemy system just logged on and went to AFK.
Intel collecting in AFK :PPP thats a joke argument."

Need solution for handling this. Capacitor useage for cloak, or fuel usage. Counter ship (seek and destroy) or AFK tag.""

And still we have a question.

"why disturb afk tag an afk player who not at the computer ?"


And everyone know NO RISK in AFK cloaking at enemy system it's time create a counter against them or AFK tag and the AFK players wont be disturb or terrorizing active players anymore.
Collecting intel in AFK it's lying.




There's no risk in docking up or hiding in a pos when a red is reported in intel five jumps out. If you want cloaks nerfed, I want docking and POS nerfed.


Oh man thats make me mad! if i got nerfed neighbor will too... just anger talking from you, not a logical answer. Stations, and Pos means dock and log off or be AFK in a safety place. So could you tell me what is the meaning of AFK cloaking? When want to log off in a enemy system is a reason, when enemy gank follow you is a reason, or do sneaky attack, but just make a camp there is not reason. See now? Thats why we think better to do something against AFK cloaky faggs, and should be better for server also without them.


Yup they just haters without logical thinking. They just affraid they will be lost riskfree afk cloaking at enemy system.
They cant answer logical arguments, just lying about afk cloaking.
Kaelie Onren
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#208 - 2012-06-24 14:59:16 UTC
Ribikoka wrote:

Yup they just haters without logical thinking. They just affraid they will be lost riskfree afk cloaking at enemy system.
They cant answer logical arguments, just lying about afk cloaking.


We have, you just seem to be unable to read.
Ribikoka
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#209 - 2012-06-24 15:45:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Ribikoka
Kaelie Onren wrote:
Ribikoka wrote:

Yup they just haters without logical thinking. They just affraid they will be lost riskfree afk cloaking at enemy system.
They cant answer logical arguments, just lying about afk cloaking.


We have, you just seem to be unable to read.


Lying and your whinning is not counting.
We asking simple question. A kid should be the answers, but you trying to evade every time.
What is the counter against AFK cloaker who terrorizing the active players who dont know the cloakers AFK or not ?

The player who moving to ratting in low or 0.0 have risk when a cloaker there in a system, but what is the risk for cloaker in cloak ? Nothing.
A cloakers scannable or not ? Not scannable . What is the RISK when a cloaker went to AFK ? Who can find them in cloak ? No one.

But the the most important question is. "why disturb afk tag an afk player who not at the computer ?"
Arguemont clown gave to us an untruth answer, he wrote here the cloakers would gain an advantage and easy intel gathering, but everyone know this is just lying.

"Everyone knows why would be disturb the AFK tag some cloaky fags, who lying in this topic "I'm AFK at enemy systems and i cant kill anyone when i'm AFK", because they would be lost the chances to terrorizing active players in AFK."

He want give advance for cloakers when he want to proposal removing local. He want advance for cloaker not be contrary against a rule which want to help for cloakers, as the easy intel gathering false arguments should give advance for cloaker.
But easy intel gathering is lying, because afk tag is not equal the players not on comm software.

Your protest against cap useage cloaking is another lying (https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1521598#post1521598)

Everyone pilot can using cap booster when the pilot is active and would be recloak if capacitor need for cloak, except when the pilot is not active (AFK) just when he using bot or cheat, but that is punishable acts and the pilot risk his characters.

And yes i write this because this is the truth and i cloaked already in inhabitant enemy system and terrorizing the peoples in AFK when i write this message. But I do not accept this it is the correct game mechanic, when inactive players can terrorize active players without play and no counter against them.
Kaelie Onren
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#210 - 2012-06-24 15:59:56 UTC
Ribikoka wrote:

Lying and your whinning is not counting.
We asking simple question. A kid should be the answers, but you trying to evade every time.
What is the counter against AFK cloaker who terrorizing the active players who dont know the cloakers AFK or not ?


Answered. Read it again.
No isk, NO RISK

Quote:


Your protest against cap useage cloaking is another lying (https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1521598#post1521598)

Everyone pilot can using cap booster when the pilot is active and can recloak if capacitor need for cloak except when the pilot is not active (AFK) just when he using bot or cheat, but that is punishable acts and the pilot risk his characters.



"Lying"? Please look up the word before you use it.

Why don't you just admit that you didn't even think that cap proposal thoroughly? Cause you sort of suggested the whole thing as if it was as simple as 1,2,3, -- but now you are saying that its going to require a whole module rebalancing, forcing ships to use cap boosters for doing something as simple as warping between systems, and possibly have to add new slots etc all to compensate for your 'simple' solution to a non-problem.

Answer this: Why do you think that miners should NOT BE TERRORIZED IN NULL SEC?
Ribikoka
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#211 - 2012-06-24 16:10:23 UTC
Kaelie Onren wrote:
Ribikoka wrote:

Lying and your whinning is not counting.
We asking simple question. A kid should be the answers, but you trying to evade every time.
What is the counter against AFK cloaker who terrorizing the active players who dont know the cloakers AFK or not ?


Answered. Read it again.
No isk, NO RISK

Quote:


Your protest against cap useage cloaking is another lying (https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1521598#post1521598)

Everyone pilot can using cap booster when the pilot is active and can recloak if capacitor need for cloak except when the pilot is not active (AFK) just when he using bot or cheat, but that is punishable acts and the pilot risk his characters.



"Lying"? Please look up the word before you use it.

Why don't you just admit that you didn't even think that cap proposal thoroughly? Cause you sort of suggested the whole thing as if it was as simple as 1,2,3, -- but now you are saying that its going to require a whole module rebalancing, forcing ships to use cap boosters for doing something as simple as warping between systems, and possibly have to add new slots etc all to compensate for your 'simple' solution to a non-problem.

Answer this: Why do you think that miners should NOT BE TERRORIZED IN NULL SEC?


Stop whining. And afk cloakers not just in 0.0. They can cloak everywhere in AFK.
And other thing No RISK equal with no ISK ?
Really ? Hey newbee what is the RISK/ISK for AFK cloaker in enemy system?
A ratter have risk when he go to make isk when a cloaker in system, but what is the RISK for a cloaker who went to AFK ? Nothing.
So your arguments a big zero and just empty blabla such as the second answer. Not need any module rebalancing. I can use cap booster on any ship, maybe you need to learn some skills and brain for good fitting. I know this part is the hardest thing for you without it.
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#212 - 2012-06-24 19:45:23 UTC
Unfortunately, I am having trouble following the arguments of Ribikoka.

Likely not her fault, but still confusing.Sad
Zenethalos
Doomheim
#213 - 2012-06-24 21:00:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Zenethalos
As a "Cloaky F ag" do I think that this needs to be balanced? Yes.

My ability to sit in a prime enemy system from uptime to downtime risk free while inflicting economic damage is a bit tilted. Am I afk and no threat? Who knows. Even at work I will RDP into my home box and give local a wave. I do that three to four times at work which takes about 1 minute every time I do and for four minutes of work I lock down a system. Really not all that fair. Until the mechanic is fixed myself and other cloaky alt will be camping systems while my freighter alt makes me all the isk I need.

A solution. Probes that scan down cloaked ships. Have it triangulate the position of the ship based on how long since they last warped. The longer that they have not warped the easier it is to scan down. To ensure the security of actual cloaked scouts make it so that the first 10 minutes of non warp activity you cannot be detected. After that it becomes incrementally easier.

This means I have to warp around at least ever 10 minutes or risk being detected. I cannot do this while at work. And I would not risk doing so when RL has to take precedence over the game.
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#214 - 2012-06-24 21:50:07 UTC
Zenethalos wrote:
As a "Cloaky F ag" do I think that this needs to be balanced? Yes.

My ability to sit in a prime enemy system from uptime to downtime risk free while inflicting economic damage is a bit tilted. Am I afk and no threat? Who knows. Even at work I will RDP into my home box and give local a wave. I do that three to four times at work which takes about 1 minute every time I do and for four minutes of work I lock down a system. Really not all that fair. Until the mechanic is fixed myself and other cloaky alt will be camping systems while my freighter alt makes me all the isk I need.

A solution. Probes that scan down cloaked ships. Have it triangulate the position of the ship based on how long since they last warped. The longer that they have not warped the easier it is to scan down. To ensure the security of actual cloaked scouts make it so that the first 10 minutes of non warp activity you cannot be detected. After that it becomes incrementally easier.

This means I have to warp around at least ever 10 minutes or risk being detected. I cannot do this while at work. And I would not risk doing so when RL has to take precedence over the game.



And that makes bombers and scouting worthless. Well done.
Ribikoka
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#215 - 2012-06-24 22:04:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Ribikoka
Zenethalos wrote:
As a "Cloaky F ag" do I think that this needs to be balanced? Yes.

My ability to sit in a prime enemy system from uptime to downtime risk free while inflicting economic damage is a bit tilted. Am I afk and no threat? Who knows. Even at work I will RDP into my home box and give local a wave. I do that three to four times at work which takes about 1 minute every time I do and for four minutes of work I lock down a system. Really not all that fair. Until the mechanic is fixed myself and other cloaky alt will be camping systems while my freighter alt makes me all the isk I need.

A solution. Probes that scan down cloaked ships. Have it triangulate the position of the ship based on how long since they last warped. The longer that they have not warped the easier it is to scan down. To ensure the security of actual cloaked scouts make it so that the first 10 minutes of non warp activity you cannot be detected. After that it becomes incrementally easier.

This means I have to warp around at least ever 10 minutes or risk being detected. I cannot do this while at work. And I would not risk doing so when RL has to take precedence over the game.


And what happen when cloaker is aligning somewhere ? You jumping to his warping point and what will be happen ???
Nothing. He will be still cloaked and you dont know where is are. You need decloaking him but that is impossible without luck.
The main problem is not the cloakers, thats need for collecting intel or other battletactics when the pilots playing. The problem is the riskfree cloaking without play when the pilots not playing. This need counter.
Kaelie Onren
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#216 - 2012-06-24 23:32:57 UTC
Ribikoka wrote:
The problem is the riskfree cloaking without play when the pilots not playing. This need counter.


Answered. Read it again.
No isk, NO RISK
Kaelie Onren
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#217 - 2012-06-25 00:22:59 UTC
Ribikoka wrote:

Arguemont just HTFU and GTFO, no matter how you cry with your alts.


Unlike you, I never post with my alt.
And even if I did, I wouldn't be as silly as to just post dead giveaways like "+1" and "supported" one-line responses because you couldn't be bothered to formulate second opinions to your own arguement.
Ribikoka
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#218 - 2012-06-25 06:26:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Ribikoka
Kaelie Onren wrote:
Ribikoka wrote:
The problem is the riskfree cloaking without play when the pilots not playing. This need counter.


Answered. Read it again.
No isk, NO RISK


Answered read it again.

""Everyone knows why would be disturb the AFK tag some cloaky fags, who lying in this topic "I'm AFK at enemy systems and i cant kill anyone when i'm AFK", because they would be lost the chances to terrorizing active players in AFK."


"AFK cloakers plagued all systems. They are realy collecting intels alone in empty systems 24/7 time long?? LOL"

""Just as i said. It's time to create something what is should be change this bad game mechanic where a cloaker can hide in enemy system and can went out from his PC, 23 hours time long, without risk and where just wasting server resources without play.

"How many times i saw 3 weeks long intel collecting when a neutral alt at enemy system just logged on and went to AFK.
Intel collecting in AFK :PPP thats a joke argument."

Need solution for handling this. Capacitor useage for cloak, or fuel usage. Counter ship (seek and destroy) or AFK tag.""

And still we have a question.

"why disturb afk tag an afk player who not at the computer ?"


And everyone know NO RISK in AFK cloaking at enemy system it's time create a counter against them or AFK tag and the AFK players wont be disturb or terrorizing active players anymore.
Collecting intel in AFK it's lying."

"And afk cloakers not just in 0.0. They can cloak everywhere in AFK.
And other thing No RISK equal with no ISK ?
Really ? Hey newbee what is the RISK/ISK for AFK cloaker in enemy system?
A ratter have risk when he go to make isk when a cloaker in system, but what is the RISK for a cloaker who went to AFK ? Nothing.
So your arguments a big zero and just empty blabla such as the second answer. Not need any module rebalancing. I can use cap booster on any ship, maybe you need to learn some skills and brain for good fitting. I know this part is the hardest thing for you without it."

And one thing AFK cloakers at enemy systems inflicting economic damage without play and no matter how you try to whining with your alt that's true.
Kaelie Onren
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#219 - 2012-06-25 12:24:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaelie Onren
Kaelie Onren wrote:
Ribikoka wrote:
The problem is the riskfree cloaking without play when the pilots not playing. This need counter.


Answered. Read it again.
No isk, NO RISK


I have an interesting social experiment.

I believe that reasoning with Rib is beyond hope, and that anyone who isn't an alt of Rib can see this. So the only way to get the message across without triggering another broken record response from Rib is to do the opposite. Stop posting to this thread altogether. Soon it will just be Rib and his alts (Dream, Tadam, Travelbuoy) posting and it will be obvious to all, even Rib. If any newcomer to the thread joins and threatens to startup this tornado of Rib all over again by accident, please just link this post. They can then decide if they really have anything more to add, or to just let this dead horse die. We can then clearly see how many people support this (if you count the # of rabid posts) vs those who think this is gone past silly. (and remain silent).

N.B. I don't mean to say that the topic is necessarily closed, only that this thread, and Rib's suggestions, are dead. If you have a fresh idea, please start new thread.
Ribikoka
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#220 - 2012-06-25 12:59:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Ribikoka
Kaelie Onren wrote:
Whine of closing topic because cloaker girl cry and dont want to lose her riskfree advanced cloaking


The truth again. Read it.

"""Everyone knows why would be disturb the AFK tag some cloaky fags, who lying in this topic "I'm AFK at enemy systems and i cant kill anyone when i'm AFK", because they would be lost the chances to terrorizing active players in AFK."


"AFK cloakers plagued all systems. They are realy collecting intels alone in empty systems 24/7 time long?? LOL"

""Just as i said. It's time to create something what is should be change this bad game mechanic where a cloaker can hide in enemy system and can went out from his PC, 23 hours time long, without risk and where just wasting server resources without play.

"How many times i saw 3 weeks long intel collecting when a neutral alt at enemy system just logged on and went to AFK.
Intel collecting in AFK :PPP thats a joke argument."

Need solution for handling this. Capacitor useage for cloak, or fuel usage. Counter ship (seek and destroy) or AFK tag.""

And still we have a question.

"why disturb afk tag an afk player who not at the computer ?"


And everyone know NO RISK in AFK cloaking at enemy system it's time create a counter against them or AFK tag and the AFK players wont be disturb or terrorizing active players anymore.
Collecting intel in AFK it's lying."

"And one thing AFK cloakers at enemy systems inflicting economic damage without play and no matter how you try to whining with your alt that's true."