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Can i haz systems reset now plz?
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Vordak Kallager
Descendance.
GoonSwarm.
#61 - 2012-06-23 01:55:10 UTC
Salicaz wrote:
When you have been in FW a few years you see the "Wheel of FW turn". Sides become dominant, sides become weaker....then a few months down the line something occurs (normally a power shift when a major corp leaves the dominnant or a major corp joins the weaker).

It happens time and time again on all sides. However, Inferno brought massive changes to this and the wheel has hit bumpy ground. It will in time settle back down. Whether or not it's been buckled by half arsed implementation and poorly thought out consequences has yet to be seen.

The Minmitar have the upper hand at the moment and more than likely they are enjoying their time on the wheel. Good for them Lol

However. Having the same abilities across the board for FW rats would balance it out and in time the Amarr/Minmitar front would balance out naturally during the war. No need for a reset.

Sali


I predict the turning point will be when Fweddit is running 50 man Drake fleets instead of 50 man Thrasher fleets. :P

Sa souvraya niende misain ye.
Jones Bones
Battle Toad Brigade
Ribbit.
#62 - 2012-06-23 02:20:40 UTC
We'll see. Their members are already complaining about lack of funding for PVP on Reddit.

Why don't they just run plexes for an hour to buy a single Slicer to sell for 30m? I dunno. 30m/hr is excellent income.
GenesisMike
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#63 - 2012-06-23 03:55:16 UTC
FIRST GENERAL wrote:
Mra Rednu wrote:


If you in it for the GF's and not just isk occupancy will effect you, unless you never fly without logi or leave a system you got docking rights in.



Confirming we never fly without logi and the only occasion on which we leave Kamela is via bridge, i'm not even sure how gates work anymore.



What the hell is a gate?
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#64 - 2012-06-23 03:59:28 UTC
GenesisMike wrote:
FIRST GENERAL wrote:
Mra Rednu wrote:


If you in it for the GF's and not just isk occupancy will effect you, unless you never fly without logi or leave a system you got docking rights in.



Confirming we never fly without logi and the only occasion on which we leave Kamela is via bridge, i'm not even sure how gates work anymore.



What the hell is a gate?


Place where you usually make cyno to jump your capitals in.
GenesisMike
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#65 - 2012-06-23 04:33:59 UTC
Bad Messenger wrote:
GenesisMike wrote:
FIRST GENERAL wrote:
Mra Rednu wrote:


If you in it for the GF's and not just isk occupancy will effect you, unless you never fly without logi or leave a system you got docking rights in.



Confirming we never fly without logi and the only occasion on which we leave Kamela is via bridge, i'm not even sure how gates work anymore.



What the hell is a gate?


Place where you usually make cyno to jump your capitals in.



Ahh, ok now I have an idea what you're talking about :)
Silence iKillYouu
Girls Lie But Zkill Doesn't
Pandemic Legion
#66 - 2012-06-23 05:54:09 UTC
Keep Dreaming

EVE Mail me i dont check forums often.
Mra Rednu
Vanishing Point.
#67 - 2012-06-23 08:01:51 UTC
FIRST GENERAL wrote:


Troll post .


Indeed, but some of us do leave Kamela and go for a gf and by gate, btw unsure how jumping a gate or using a bridge makes a jot of diference to you're troll but hey-ho, going half a dozen jumps to rep up after a fight is a ***** and does nothing to promote pvp.
Mechael
Tribal Liberation Distribution and Retail
#68 - 2012-06-23 08:09:09 UTC
Nobody likes Amarr anyway. Let'em rot. Twisted

Whether or not you win the game matters not.  It's if you bought it.
Lock out
Shadows Of The Federation
#69 - 2012-06-23 08:10:34 UTC
Mra Rednu wrote:


going half a dozen jumps to rep up after a fight is a ***** and does nothing to promote pvp.




That's why you bridge guardians too. P
Mra Rednu
Vanishing Point.
#70 - 2012-06-23 08:25:41 UTC
Lock out wrote:
Mra Rednu wrote:


going half a dozen jumps to rep up after a fight is a ***** and does nothing to promote pvp.




That's why you bridge guardians too. P


But by the time my neutral scout lights up and I get my Thrasher, neutral scouts, boosters, falcon alts and Guardians's through the bridge the rifter has jumped through the gate so I got to go do it all again, solo pvp really shouldn't be that hard......
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#71 - 2012-06-23 09:13:19 UTC
Mra Rednu wrote:
Lock out wrote:
Mra Rednu wrote:


going half a dozen jumps to rep up after a fight is a ***** and does nothing to promote pvp.




That's why you bridge guardians too. P


But by the time my neutral scout lights up and I get my Thrasher, neutral scouts, boosters, falcon alts and Guardians's through the bridge the rifter has jumped through the gate so I got to go do it all again, solo pvp really shouldn't be that hard......


That is what player wanted. some reason to fight for !

I do not know what it is, but not station access i ques.
Zen Guerrilla
CTRL-Q
Ushra'Khan
#72 - 2012-06-23 09:24:39 UTC
Muad 'dib wrote:
In light of the detrimental effects to the amarr miltia regarding the goonsploit, aiding minmatar with a huge boost to upgrades and making them the no brainer FW faction to join: while amarr hemorrhage good players new and old.

Can we get that system reset now please ccp?

The past month we have tryed hard and only lost good men while the minnies swell up with players from all the shiney benefits, now exploited LP upgrading their systems gave them.

What would a system reset be good for? You guys still couldn't dock in Auga to camp the station. Big smile

pew pew
Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#73 - 2012-06-24 04:28:56 UTC
Zen Guerrilla wrote:

What would a system reset be good for? You guys still couldn't dock in Auga to camp the station. Big smile


Your are correct.

But we would also get back kourm and houla, you guys would get booted out and have to retake it again and maybe actually earn somthing for real this time, with the new mechanics, not a mad nightnight dash before the mechanics change - like last time.

Cosmic signature detected. . . . http://i.imgur.com/Z7NfIS6.jpg I got 99 likes, and this post aint one.
Silence iKillYouu
Girls Lie But Zkill Doesn't
Pandemic Legion
#74 - 2012-06-24 06:21:33 UTC
To bad.

EVE Mail me i dont check forums often.
Vordak Kallager
Descendance.
GoonSwarm.
#75 - 2012-06-24 07:48:54 UTC
Muad 'dib wrote:
Zen Guerrilla wrote:

What would a system reset be good for? You guys still couldn't dock in Auga to camp the station. Big smile


Your are correct.

But we would also get back kourm and houla, you guys would get booted out and have to retake it again and maybe actually earn somthing for real this time, with the new mechanics, not a mad nightnight dash before the mechanics change - like last time.


We held Huola months before any change was announced. And I remember the Amarr fighting pretty hard over Kourmonen leading up to Inferno. You lost. There was no ninja-steal. You are delusional.

Sa souvraya niende misain ye.
Har Harrison
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#76 - 2012-06-24 08:06:41 UTC
Vordak Kallager wrote:
Muad 'dib wrote:
Zen Guerrilla wrote:

What would a system reset be good for? You guys still couldn't dock in Auga to camp the station. Big smile


Your are correct.

But we would also get back kourm and houla, you guys would get booted out and have to retake it again and maybe actually earn somthing for real this time, with the new mechanics, not a mad nightnight dash before the mechanics change - like last time.


We held Huola months before any change was announced. And I remember the Amarr fighting pretty hard over Kourmonen leading up to Inferno. You lost. There was no ninja-steal. You are delusional.

You seem to be discounting the change in Inferno that dropped the VP payout to 20% of pre-patch levels. Meaning what used to take 5-6 hours of plexing now takes over a day... Meaning it has to be a concerted 23.5 hour push to take an uncontested system assuming no defence.

Now, the fact neither side seems that interested in defensive plexing is an issue due to the lack of rewards for doing it. Its boring and for the Amarr, there's no PvP - just 1 week old chars in the minmitar militia with no weapons fitted, just speed mods and warp core stabs.
Vordak Kallager
Descendance.
GoonSwarm.
#77 - 2012-06-24 11:13:58 UTC
Har Harrison wrote:
Vordak Kallager wrote:
Muad 'dib wrote:
Zen Guerrilla wrote:

What would a system reset be good for? You guys still couldn't dock in Auga to camp the station. Big smile


Your are correct.

But we would also get back kourm and houla, you guys would get booted out and have to retake it again and maybe actually earn somthing for real this time, with the new mechanics, not a mad nightnight dash before the mechanics change - like last time.


We held Huola months before any change was announced. And I remember the Amarr fighting pretty hard over Kourmonen leading up to Inferno. You lost. There was no ninja-steal. You are delusional.

You seem to be discounting the change in Inferno that dropped the VP payout to 20% of pre-patch levels. Meaning what used to take 5-6 hours of plexing now takes over a day... Meaning it has to be a concerted 23.5 hour push to take an uncontested system assuming no defence.

Now, the fact neither side seems that interested in defensive plexing is an issue due to the lack of rewards for doing it. Its boring and for the Amarr, there's no PvP - just 1 week old chars in the minmitar militia with no weapons fitted, just speed mods and warp core stabs.


That change in mechanic isn't inherently unbalanced. It wasn't CCP's fault that we had more systems than the Amarr when Inferno hit and nothing CCP did gave us those systems. It was our own drive and motivation that caused us to mobilize and push hard for systems. Many of the Amarr either didn't care or decided that instead of similarly cooperating and mobilizing all of their forces across Timezones that they would evac their assets and then jump on the forums and complain about how unfair life was.

1 week old characters speed tanking Major plexes really had nothing to do with why you guys got crushed. It was the hard work of Annah Kitheran and the FCs and Leadership of the Minmatar Militia that made the flurry of system-captures possible leading up to Inferno.

However, I agree that it is bullshit that the NPCs are unbalanced in our favor and that it needs to be changed. But blaming everything on that sole fact is naive.

Sa souvraya niende misain ye.
Christine Peeveepeeski
Low Sec Concepts
#78 - 2012-06-24 11:15:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Christine Peeveepeeski
So I stopped using amarr FW as a playground for pvp and actually went to try plexing for a week. EPIC MISTAKE


TL:DR
The organisation required to actually take back systems to an even level and keep it there is not worth the time for those involved. No one.. at all.

I tried plexing for a week... NEVER AGAIN and for the love of god I advise anyone that sticks that amount of time in to actually do something interesting. That could be mining btw.... and I hate mining.

This is my thought process.

I play EVE for pvp.

If you wish to join faction warfare to make a positive difference for that faction by plexing and taking systems you MUST NOT PVP. Why? because the time spent reshipping and heading home can be reduced by just running from a fight and heading to the next plex to bounce timers. Fighting is actually ******** if you want to cap plexes... for both offensive and defensive plexing.

So apparently, if I want GF's I can't actually engage in FW?

To actually regain systems a side not only has to equal their opponents efforts but significantly exceed them. Once you have a system all you need to do is stick a 1 day old alt in a plex and bounce them in system to deplex.

For the amarr though the problem is there are so few systems to start with under our control that that's very hard simply because the minmatar only need travel to a handful of systems to fight. Amarr on the other hand must focus our efforts defensively at a major level AND attempt to plex sites offensively that require decent ships to actually finish in a grand scale.

I'm not moaning though, I joined FW for pvp.. got it and tried the actual mechanics of FW out. I shall go back to what I was doing beforehand and get some pvp in. I feel very sorry for anyone that actually cares about amarr SOV. Good luck organising what's needed to get us back to an even keel...... what will have to happen is that half the minmatar leave because they got bored.
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#79 - 2012-06-24 13:06:38 UTC
Vordak Kallager wrote:
....

*Cough*

Shakorites have only the illusion of an epeen to stroke so you might as well stop doing it in public, makes you look 'off''. Everything sov/occupancy related the Shakorites have achieved in the past and present is entirely and completely due to the utterly broken plexing mechanics .. ie. not your organization, leet pew, massive blobs, village idiots or turnip soup.

Bragging about how :awesome: you are in the sov/occupancy war with mechanics as lopsided as they are, is like a guy winning the lottery and claiming to be a financial genius.

But take heart, it seems CCP is intent on breaking FW even more before they set about fixing it .. so come 1.1 (eWar removal) and FW will be 10% gatecamps and 90% AB frigates passing each other in the night. Gonna be AWESOME! Big smile
Cynthia Nezmor
Nezmor's Golden Griffins
#80 - 2012-06-24 13:08:29 UTC
FIRST GENERAL wrote:
All i read in this thread is 'no i can't put an alt into minmatar militia to run missions because :RP:' and if you say you're not in it for the ISK but the goodfites, well then the whole occupancy aspect doesn't affect you anyways unless you're a pansy.

Not sure what so many Amarr are complaining about Roll

:workingasintended:


Ninja edit: don't play the "but i can't dock card" now because you'll always be able to dock in Kamela, unless maybe Minmatar bring caldari with their massive cap fleet into Kamela to evict us *hint hint*


Quote before edit/delete.

And to people in Caldari: stop hating Amarr because of a few dickheads.