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Aivonen battle from grunt perspective (19th)
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Tekitha
Esshulls Retirement Club
#201 - 2012-06-23 01:50:46 UTC
Joanna Ramirez wrote:
Shadow Adanza wrote:
Suicide fleets are a blast.


In my books, there is a clear difference between suicide fleet and "suicide fleet where your own side expects you to die for the glory and benefit of your war targets, because we have bropact and stuff".

Maybe you can answer this with another "le gasp" comment on how can I be so adamant in my view that latter is something no self-respecting pilot should do.


honeslty, I told julius his fleet was for tackling the enemy mach's, I told him he wouldn't be in our fleet and hence getting no reps, I also told him there was a good chance he could whore on some super kills. He and his fleet seemed happy with that deal

what of it?
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#202 - 2012-06-23 03:51:42 UTC
Gunthar X wrote:
chatgris wrote:
Joanna Ramirez wrote:
chatgris wrote:
If you're using that fit to troll about bad fittings, please, don't look at the lossboard for your own militia (talking in general, I wasn't at this fight nor have I looked at the board) :D
That fit is half decent.... for a gallente ship :)


I dont have to when I look on fits of some your FC's....

Oh right, I forgot, Gallente are best pvp'ers in game and everything they do is done after careful analysing and their militia is not at all full of terribad players in equal measure as every other militia.


He's an FC? Shocked

And I never said that my militia isn't full of terribad players like every other militia (though you're trying to say in other threads that somehow us Gallente have a higher proportion of actives).

I was however trying to point out that the first fit you linked really wasn't that bad especially in the context of how bad people fit, and if you were trying to insult Gallente with it, the Caldari (and many gallente ofc) fit much much worse.



He has a point.


This one made me chuckle, we tagged it after dispersing some fairly large bunker busting fleet.
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13662121

As for throwing my drake into that fight, well its a ham scram drake it did exactly what it was bought to do, pin something down and probably die. Got me on 4 mach kills, more than most of my drakes.
Lock out
Shadows Of The Federation
#203 - 2012-06-23 07:59:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Lock out
Tekitha wrote:
Joanna Ramirez wrote:
Gallactica wrote:
if you do something relevent on your own steam then you will get kudos, come back then.


Clearly Sotf was alone in Aivonen then and calling wbr/shadow cartel does not count in the least because, you know, bropact and stuff... Big smile


What the various parties bright to this op;

SOTF - caps, hics, specialised BSs
WBR - caps, hics
SHDWC - cap, hics
Snuff - Machs, logi, T3s, supers
OFF - supers
Caldari - drakes and the kitchen sink

You gettin the picture?




Troll success. Look, we has caps too. Oh sh .. :)

Protip : if you are gonna deploy tracking dreads, you might want a vindi to 90 % web **** and a triage to keep that vindi alive, maybe even rep the primaried dreads if they manage to coast out of siege. Just sayin. 10/10 for the effort, 1/10 for the execution.
sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade
Ghost Legion.
#204 - 2012-06-23 08:16:50 UTC  |  Edited by: sYnc Vir
Would just like to point out, the reason the Caldari are never called in, or spoken too about our ops, is you don't acutally matter. Not that im trying to be rude or anything(Cause im a nice guy). Its just we don't have to worry at all about you. Its not like if we drop our cap fleet we have people worrying, "where are the caldari, are they forming their welp dread blob".

So yay, for the most part and again not to be rude, but you're pretty much a none factor in everything we do. If we worried about random tossed together fleet, we'd never leave Kamela....


INB4 Minnie and Amarr claims we don't anyways, Gate travel is for poor people, I cyno chain/bridge into my fights. Not because its cool, just because I can. Also im lazy.

Don't ask about Italics, just tilt your head.
Lock out
Shadows Of The Federation
#205 - 2012-06-23 08:19:50 UTC
sYnc Vir wrote:
. Its not like if we drop our cap fleet we have people worrying, "where are the caldari, are they forming their welp dread blob".

So yay, for the most part and again not to be rude, but you're pretty much a none factor in everything we do. If we worried about random tossed together fleet, we'd never leave Kamela....



Check previous link, they do deploy deads :) Well, hope they bought new ones, at least.
sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade
Ghost Legion.
#206 - 2012-06-23 08:25:09 UTC
Lock out wrote:
sYnc Vir wrote:
. Its not like if we drop our cap fleet we have people worrying, "where are the caldari, are they forming their welp dread blob".

So yay, for the most part and again not to be rude, but you're pretty much a none factor in everything we do. If we worried about random tossed together fleet, we'd never leave Kamela....



Check previous link, they do deploy deads :) Well, hope they bought new ones, at least.



Two dreads is a cap fleet? ****, Like 20 guys in my corp are a cap fleet all by themselves. Mother *******. Also, Dreads with BCs as back up? Because Vindy 90% webs and Rapier TP's are overrated.

Don't ask about Italics, just tilt your head.
Joanna Ramirez
Intaki Militia
#207 - 2012-06-23 11:26:50 UTC
sYnc Vir wrote:
(Cause im a nice guy).


Reminds that you tried to recruit me not long ago. After politely declining (Since I like blue jersey more than golden), you went to forums and labeled me as a whiny *****. I quess that says enough about your attitude.
sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade
Ghost Legion.
#208 - 2012-06-23 11:48:25 UTC
Joanna Ramirez wrote:
sYnc Vir wrote:
(Cause im a nice guy).


Reminds that you tried to recruit me not long ago. After politely declining (Since I like blue jersey more than golden), you went to forums and labeled me as a whiny *****. I quess that says enough about your attitude.



1 - I don't Recruit people, I just get them to think about it and then let Hellblazer deal with them. 2 - Calling someone a whiny ***** when they are doing so at that moment is nothing short of nice banter. 3 - My attitude is perfectly fine. Im pretty much the nicest person in eve. Ask my corpies. Im super friendly. If im yelling at you for being stupid, its not because im a ****, its because you're being ******* stupid.

Don't ask about Italics, just tilt your head.
Capitol One
Blue Canary
Watch This
#209 - 2012-06-23 22:48:17 UTC
Sync really is the nicest guy :3
GenesisMike
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#210 - 2012-06-24 03:54:13 UTC
Crimper wrote:
Gunthar X wrote:
Go ahead and pull the hiding behind Snuff card in your reply too, little fact though Snuff is not in an enemy militia they are pirates and we had a common enemy you guys on the other hand help our common enemy to kill your friendly militia's. Little bit of a difference between the two.


Friendly militia? Really? Where? Maybe insofar as game mechanics go theoretically, but thats about it!

All I've read in this entire thread (and others like it) is the Caldari saying, " waahhhhh, you don't love us anymore! And you're being bullies. I'm gonna take my toys and go play with somebody else and when I grow up, I'm gonna hurt you".

seriously, show me on the doll where daddy hurt you .



.... man thats funny. :)
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#211 - 2012-06-24 04:16:31 UTC
Jones Bones wrote:
Snuffbox dunkin' on FW nerds and creatin' these tear threads. Like a boss.

Why does anyone think Amarr FW should help Caldari? Or Gallente help Minmatar? You're only "blue" to your own militia. Everything else is up to you. Stop cryin' you nerds.



The militias are tied together by a few things.

Of course beside having common enemies the main one is the mechanic that makes it so we can plex for the other militia. Hence the fact that amarr are really doing poorly right is likely hurting caldari quite a bit due to the minmatar lp store being a gold mine.

I don't really fight in the caldari gallente front but I would imagine the caldari face allot more minmatar plexing alts than amarr faces gallente plexing alts. In other words because our side of the war remains pretty lopsided everyone and their uncle wants to have a minmatar character doing plexes in the caldari back water systems.

Caldari seems to be effectively taking smart measures against this though. Utilizing the rule of no lp for defensive plexing tthey seem not to be flipping systems but instead leaving them vulnerable. Once they flip them then they have the task of chasing out the plexing alts. Both Gallente and Caldari seem to be putting this strategy to good use.

With about 20 systems sitting vulnerable I think there will be some pretty good fights on the horizon.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
GenesisMike
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#212 - 2012-06-24 05:11:48 UTC  |  Edited by: GenesisMike
FIRST GENERAL wrote:
Gunthar X wrote:

and had to listen to everything on the phone so I truly don't care about the fight

Confirming I too listen to fights on the phone while at work because i don't care. Roll
Quote:
cap fleets exploding does create joy joy feelings in my life

Confirming three caps are now 'entire cap fleets'.
Quote:
I only chimed

Keep chiming princess maybe we'll make it to page 10 still. Cool



See, this is why I have been laughing while reading this thread.
Mjolnir Gost
Death By Design
#213 - 2012-06-25 04:42:28 UTC
Rydal32 wrote:
From the Amarr militia perspective, several times on comms we made it clear that under no circumstances were we to engage the Caldari militia (excluding x13, who are allies of snuff box). This operation was seen as an opportunity to build some bridges with the Caldari militia, engaging a pirate entity that has plagued the Caldari militia for years. Sure, we were allied with SOTF for the operation, but as the target was not the Caldari militia, we still considered this op to be in the best interests of the Caldari, and as such, would not face such concerted efforts from supposed allies to engage us and aid the pirates.

Damar, you are mistaken as usual. There was an opportunity to kill supercaps, unfortunately when given the option of engaging pirates fielding supercaps that have slaughtered the Caldari militia everyday for years, or to engage the Amarr militia, who have never engaged you, you chose the latter. Making our attempts at reconciliation futile. Even with the odds against us, we still had an opportunity to kill said supercaps, but when the Caldari milita began focusing down our cyno recons attempting to bring in more capital support, we had to disengage.

Reading between the lines (or just looking specifically at your posts Damar) its clear that you have had a long term agenda to create a divide between the Amarr militia and the Caldari, and a specific vitriol and hatred towards Wolfsbrigade.

Damar, as you are such an influence within the Caldari militia, we at Wolfsbrigade & FATE have no alternative to consider the Caldari militia hostile in future. Sad times indeed, but most likely you have achieved your goal, congratulations.


Yet you have not engaged the Caldari prime (greater militia) in this conversation? And you so quickly "declare war" against the Caldari?

From this "grunts" perspective we saw a WbR cyno land on field and assumed hostility considering the well known relationship between SOTF and WbR. Should this NOT have been the case, a simple heads up to the primary Caldari leaders involved would have been sufficient to prevent hostilities, however, in perfect WbR form, this was not given.

We now see that the Amaar blood is truly thiner than water and we look forward to what is to come. Rest assured we are prepared for a protracted conflict.

I look forward to any attempt at diplomatic resolve, consider this fair warning. It is NOT our wish to fight WbR, but Blackrise is OUR territory, ally with us or stay out.

Everyone gets found out for what they really are eventually. 
FIRST GENERAL
Hostile.
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
#214 - 2012-06-25 06:55:36 UTC  |  Edited by: FIRST GENERAL
Mjolnir Gost wrote:
Rydal32 wrote:
Rydal's post


Yet you have not engaged the Caldari prime (greater militia) in this conversation? And you so quickly "declare war" against the Caldari?

From this "grunts" perspective we saw a WbR cyno land on field and assumed hostility considering the well known relationship between SOTF and WbR. Should this NOT have been the case, a simple heads up to the primary Caldari leaders involved would have been sufficient to prevent hostilities, however, in perfect WbR form, this was not given.

We now see that the Amaar blood is truly thiner than water and we look forward to what is to come. Rest assured we are prepared for a protracted conflict.

I look forward to any attempt at diplomatic resolve, consider this fair warning. It is NOT our wish to fight WbR, but Blackrise is OUR territory, ally with us or stay out.


We never declared war against caldari Mr. "I'll-empty-THE4-corphangar-and-wallets".

Also, try to stay at least consistent with what you're saying instead of embarrassing yourself when you're posting. First you say that you assumed hostilities with caldari because of 'the well known relationship with SoTF and W-BR' and yet you claim to be needing a headsup? I can only take that claim for the 'need of a headsup' as a poor excuse and nothing more.

And boy, although the chances of it happening are slim to none, we absolutely look forward to all of you guys growing up and learning to fight properly sometime....in a year or two. We'll welcome the challenge if there's every going to be one since we don't derive any pleasure from stealing a kid's ice-cream cone.

I also have a newsflash for you: you yourself as much as the rest of caldari are entirely irrelevant in Black Rise all RP reasons aside. The only reason you haven't been wiped out is because you have nothing worth wiping out. There will be no diplomatic resolve - you have chosen your side.

Another newsflash too: Black Rise is NOT YOUR territory. Its Snuff Box territory.

As far as your warning goes, heed mine instead and stop posting it'll save you a lot of embarrassement.
Ganndor
Black Rise Guerilla Forces
#215 - 2012-06-25 07:21:09 UTC
FIRST GENERAL wrote:
Mjolnir Gost wrote:
[quote=Rydal32]Rydal's post


I also have a newsflash for you: you yourself as much as the rest of caldari are entirely irrelevant in Black Rise all RP reasons aside. The only reason you haven't been wiped out is because you have nothing worth wiping out. There will be no diplomatic resolve - you have chosen your side.

Another newsflash too: Black Rise is NOT YOUR territory. Its Snuff Box territory.

As far as your warning goes, heed mine instead and stop posting it'll save you a lot of embarrassement.



hahahaha
Capitol One
Blue Canary
Watch This
#216 - 2012-06-25 07:23:39 UTC
Ganndor wrote:
FIRST GENERAL wrote:
Mjolnir Gost wrote:
[quote=Rydal32]Rydal's post


I also have a newsflash for you: you yourself as much as the rest of caldari are entirely irrelevant in Black Rise all RP reasons aside. The only reason you haven't been wiped out is because you have nothing worth wiping out. There will be no diplomatic resolve - you have chosen your side.

Another newsflash too: Black Rise is NOT YOUR territory. Its Snuff Box territory.

As far as your warning goes, heed mine instead and stop posting it'll save you a lot of embarrassement.



hahahaha



Your insightful and well thought out argument is a welcome relief amidst all this rabble Ganndor - oh wait...
Gunthar X
Desecration
#217 - 2012-06-25 14:02:21 UTC
Lock out wrote:
Tekitha wrote:
Joanna Ramirez wrote:
Gallactica wrote:
if you do something relevent on your own steam then you will get kudos, come back then.


Clearly Sotf was alone in Aivonen then and calling wbr/shadow cartel does not count in the least because, you know, bropact and stuff... Big smile


What the various parties bright to this op;

SOTF - caps, hics, specialised BSs
WBR - caps, hics
SHDWC - cap, hics
Snuff - Machs, logi, T3s, supers
OFF - supers
Caldari - drakes and the kitchen sink

You gettin the picture?




Troll success. Look, we has caps too. Oh sh .. :)

Protip : if you are gonna deploy tracking dreads, you might want a vindi to 90 % web **** and a triage to keep that vindi alive, maybe even rep the primaried dreads if they manage to coast out of siege. Just sayin. 10/10 for the effort, 1/10 for the execution.




So you tell the world how you only lost 3 caps and how that was nothing blah....blah.....blah then you post a kill of two dreads and act as if the entire caldari cap fleet was killed. You can't have it both ways, either we agree that anything less than 5 caps dead is a skirmish or every cap killed is a fleet. Pick one because you can't have both. By the way those two dreads have been replaced and will be on the field again soon taking one of the 20 systems that are vulnerable at the moment but hey you got 2 dread kills your l33t.
Gunthar X
Desecration
#218 - 2012-06-25 14:43:26 UTC
FIRST GENERAL wrote:
Mjolnir Gost wrote:
Rydal32 wrote:
Rydal's post


Yet you have not engaged the Caldari prime (greater militia) in this conversation? And you so quickly "declare war" against the Caldari?

From this "grunts" perspective we saw a WbR cyno land on field and assumed hostility considering the well known relationship between SOTF and WbR. Should this NOT have been the case, a simple heads up to the primary Caldari leaders involved would have been sufficient to prevent hostilities, however, in perfect WbR form, this was not given.

We now see that the Amaar blood is truly thiner than water and we look forward to what is to come. Rest assured we are prepared for a protracted conflict.

I look forward to any attempt at diplomatic resolve, consider this fair warning. It is NOT our wish to fight WbR, but Blackrise is OUR territory, ally with us or stay out.


We never declared war against caldari Mr. "I'll-empty-THE4-corphangar-and-wallets".

Also, try to stay at least consistent with what you're saying instead of embarrassing yourself when you're posting. First you say that you assumed hostilities with caldari because of 'the well known relationship with SoTF and W-BR' and yet you claim to be needing a headsup? I can only take that claim for the 'need of a headsup' as a poor excuse and nothing more.

And boy, although the chances of it happening are slim to none, we absolutely look forward to all of you guys growing up and learning to fight properly sometime....in a year or two. We'll welcome the challenge if there's every going to be one since we don't derive any pleasure from stealing a kid's ice-cream cone.


I also have a newsflash for you: you yourself as much as the rest of caldari are entirely irrelevant in Black Rise all RP reasons aside. The only reason you haven't been wiped out is because you have nothing worth wiping out. There will be no diplomatic resolve - you have chosen your side.

Another newsflash too: Black Rise is NOT YOUR territory. Its Snuff Box territory.

As far as your warning goes, heed mine instead and stop posting it'll save you a lot of embarrassment.



Since the Caldari militia is completely irrelevant in Black Rise why are we taking systems almost at will? Why do we have 10+ systems sitting there waiting to be taken, give or take exact numbers change daily, since we are irreverent. I think in the grand scheme of FW WBR is more useless and irrelevant in FW than CalMil could ever hope to be I mean you guys hold 11 systems your LP is useless and yet you still believe that CalMil is useless and your the best FW corp in Eve what exactally have you done for the Amarr militia lately other than pad your killboard and alienate CalMil.

As for what Gost said I 100% agree all you guys had to do was PM someone in that fleet and tell them that you guys were coming to fight and you would have been informed to be prepared to fight CalMil as we were blue to Snuff at the time. That would have ended the entire issue as both parties would have known what was going on and you would have known your cyno ship was going to get popped. Instead you lit your cyno and never contacted anyone then got a massive frontal wedgie when your cyno got killed. You decloak a cyno in the middle of a fleet expect it to die, most likely no one looked at the corp or militia of the pilot they saw a neutral cyno and killed it to protect their fleet and temp blues.

As far as politics and chest beating, I think this thread has produced plenty both outside CalMil and within, yes I know some was from me, however the facts are the facts. If WBR wishes to declare CalMil hostile so be it, CalMil has no intrest in working with WBR in any capacity, however do not get upset when you get shot at and then come onto the forums crying about how your innocent ship got popped.

In regards to another matter, Amarr militia this one is for you, if you guys need help please feel free to contact any of our alliance members with your request and we will be happy to work with you in the future as we are fighting the same fight and by helping you we will ultimately be helping ourselves. We understand that a single entity is not representative of an entire militia and our issues with WBR should not prevent us from assisting the Amarr. I have seen a few Amarr fleets over in Black Rise lately, the latest one being lead by Amarr 7th Fleet, if you guys want to pew along with us please let us know but please be aware that many of us are a little hesitant to trust Amarr at the moment so do not take it personally if we seem a little stand offish. Trust is earned and WBR has damaged the creditability of the Amarr quite a bit through their actions so please to not get upset if you get shot at on accident, or on purpose, if you do please get into contact with someone in CalMil about it and explain the situation and I am sure we can reach an agreement that works out for both parties involved. If your WBR and you lose a ship get over it.

As for CalMil, this argument is pointless WBR is hostile, we all knew it and we all know what happens if you see them in Black Rise around one of our operations so please do not worry about arguing with them any longer. We are doing well in our war and the fight this thread was based on was a fine example of CalMil putting aside normal hostilities to counter an enemy threat and regardless of fall out it was a successful op with the enemy losing caps and a Poco. Keep your head up and keep moving forward.
FIRST GENERAL
Hostile.
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
#219 - 2012-06-25 14:59:50 UTC  |  Edited by: FIRST GENERAL
Gunthar X wrote:
FIRST GENERAL wrote:
Mjolnir Gost wrote:
Rydal32 wrote:
Rydal's post


stuff


We never declared war against caldari Mr. "I'll-empty-THE4-corphangar-and-wallets".

Also, try to stay at least consistent with what you're saying instead of embarrassing yourself when you're posting. First you say that you assumed hostilities with caldari because of 'the well known relationship with SoTF and W-BR' and yet you claim to be needing a headsup? I can only take that claim for the 'need of a headsup' as a poor excuse and nothing more.

And boy, although the chances of it happening are slim to none, we absolutely look forward to all of you guys growing up and learning to fight properly sometime....in a year or two. We'll welcome the challenge if there's every going to be one since we don't derive any pleasure from stealing a kid's ice-cream cone.


I also have a newsflash for you: you yourself as much as the rest of caldari are entirely irrelevant in Black Rise all RP reasons aside. The only reason you haven't been wiped out is because you have nothing worth wiping out. There will be no diplomatic resolve - you have chosen your side.

Another newsflash too: Black Rise is NOT YOUR territory. Its Snuff Box territory.

As far as your warning goes, heed mine instead and stop posting it'll save you a lot of embarrassment.

more stuff


I'm not sure what's more entertaining, the fact that you keep flogging a dead horse, the fact that your posts are so full of contradictions that I'm rolling on the floor laughing out loud or the fact that you're selective reading and propagandist RP & FW interpretations of everything going on around you rival those of only Damar himself.

Nonetheless, KEEP UP TEH GOOD POASTNG Gunthar X.

Ninjaedit: Gunthar X for CSM 8 !
Gunthar X
Desecration
#220 - 2012-06-25 15:26:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Gunthar X
FIRST GENERAL wrote:


I'm not sure what's more entertaining, the fact that you keep flogging a dead horse, the fact that your posts are so full of contradictions that I'm rolling on the floor laughing out loud or the fact that you're selective reading and propagandist RP & FW interpretations of everything going on around you rival those of only Damar himself.

Nonetheless, KEEP UP TEH GOOD POASTNG Gunthar X.

Ninjaedit: Gunthar X for CSM 8 !



*the

*posting

Figured since you were trying to make fun of someone I would assist you in at least spelling the words correctly. You're welcome.

Please continue to prove why everyone thinks your group is a bunch of self centered tools rivaling only Goonswarm in their ability to alienate people around them. In fact I am willing to wager that most people would prefer to work with the Goons than with WBR.

One more point, before accusing people of contradicting themselves you should really take a look at your groups postings from the start of the threat until now, while we have been stating facts and pointing out that you guys cannot be trusted you have been moving from "we were there to help CalMil by killing Snuff" to "We think all of CalMil is useless and we are going to kill you all" so we keep the same story throughout and you guys change from we are here to help to we will kill you all and yet we are the ones contradicting ourselves.

Overall I would give your post a 10/10 on the Epeen scale with a -10/10 on relevant and factual information content kind of like the rating most people would give to your group.