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Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#2881 - 2012-06-24 02:36:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Antisocial Malkavian
David Carel wrote:


The only problem is, it's not a bug. The individual parts are working exactly as intended.


the only problem is, Sreegs disagrees. Several times IN THIS THREAD

Akai Kvaesir wrote:
You don't rob a bank, and then head over to the police station to give a three page report detailing EXACTLY how you bypassed the security...and expect to get away with it, do you? There was no risk, and infinite reward. Regardless of anything else, that reeks of exploitation, and at the very least is totally anti-EVE.


Or so Goons have been telling everyone in highsec and miners in general for years

But if its done to them, no thats not anti-EVE

Tallon Sylph wrote:
There is no way that this can end in which Goons don't win. You must know this?


"We are here to destroy your game" indeed

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association
#2882 - 2012-06-24 02:38:59 UTC
Gul'gotha Derv'ash wrote:



The only amount of "community anger" is the Goons and their pets blowing the forums up. Your tears have been filling swimming pools, and I can assume you will only retaliate with another temper tantrum in the form of Burn Jita 2. We all know how your last little temper tantrum a bout Mittani getting a slap on the wrist went. It accomplished nothing and made a joke of your alliance... again.

You guys should really just shut your mouths and take your punishment. I am assuming that all of the crap you keep spewing out is going to make the situation worse for you than it already is.


*Bursts through a Brick wall*

OH YEAH!

You'll have to forgive me, I've been on a bit of a killing spree in WoT plus all this fun has me wound up tighter than a rabid wolverine snorting amphetamines cut with powdered sugar and cocaine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmti-h3HQxQ
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#2883 - 2012-06-24 02:39:26 UTC
Graic Gabtar wrote:
David Carel wrote:
Eref Ataru wrote:
A flaw is a flaw. Intentional or not. The exploitation of a flaw is against the terms of use. Which according to the sign up is a ban not an asset freeze, not a slap on the wrists it clearly states ban.

When there was that exploit on the new forum which allowed people to see areas they couldn't CCP said then, thanks for pointing it out but leave it now, sees theres showing that a flaw is there then there's using a flaw to your advantage realising that it's gone too far, informing CCP of the flaw, and hoping it all goes away.

If goons had been sensible enough to keep it private between CCP and select others then, they probably would of kept the lot, now I think they have forced their hand, and as a player of this game I expect the full punishment of banned accounts, else the only message that gets sent out is that if you get caught they take it back, the message should be you exploit you get banned. Same as bots.


TOS wrote:

You may not exploit any bug in EVE Online to gain an unfair advantage over other players. You may not communicate the existence of any exploitable bug to others directly or through a public forum. Bugs should be reported through the bug reporting tool on our website.


The only problem is, it's not a bug. The individual parts are working exactly as intended.
CCP have confirmed that there was no bug, or exploit, or flaw etc. No rules were broken.


So whered the Isk go?

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

BuckStrider
Nano-Tech Experiments
#2884 - 2012-06-24 02:40:13 UTC
corestwo wrote:
Graic Gabtar wrote:
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
We're missing one one. Someone that one hasn't posted. Where is he? WHERE IS HE???

Won't ya please make way for a very special guy
Our man Mittani is king of the pumpkin patch
Everyone heil to the Pumpkin King now!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sw8pcxE6U9k
Mittens can afford to be patient.

CCP are the ones posturing, and trying to work out how to spin this.

Mittens will be watchful. Based on the laughably pre-judgmental comments from CCP Screegs when an investigation is still underway the Goons will need the be cautious of what is classed as an exploit. Something for instance such as an aggessive expansion of OTEC.

Or Mittens could just saw screw it and burn everything.


Mittens had nothing to do with any of this.


Obama had nothing to do with 'Fast and Furious' either.

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Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association
#2885 - 2012-06-24 02:40:34 UTC
corestwo wrote:

Mittens had nothing to do with any of this.


Actually several gaming media outlets have been looking to interview him re this, and he's remained highly hidden.
Graic Gabtar
The Lemon Party
#2886 - 2012-06-24 02:41:54 UTC
corestwo wrote:
Graic Gabtar wrote:
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
We're missing one one. Someone that one hasn't posted. Where is he? WHERE IS HE???

Won't ya please make way for a very special guy
Our man Mittani is king of the pumpkin patch
Everyone heil to the Pumpkin King now!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sw8pcxE6U9k
Mittens can afford to be patient.

CCP are the ones posturing, and trying to work out how to spin this.

Mittens will be watchful. Based on the laughably pre-judgmental comments from CCP Screegs when an investigation is still underway the Goons will need the be cautious of what is classed as an exploit. Something for instance such as an aggessive expansion of OTEC.

Or Mittens could just saw screw it and burn everything.


Mittens had nothing to do with any of this.
This I will take your assurance on.

However, if he isn't considering the broader implications of CCP's latest reaction to their self ownage and ham fisted way of doing things he must of taken a blow to the head we don't know about.
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#2887 - 2012-06-24 02:41:58 UTC
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
David Carel wrote:


The only problem is, it's not a bug. The individual parts are working exactly as intended.


the only problem is, Sreegs disagrees. Several times IN THIS THREAD

Akai Kvaesir wrote:
You don't rob a bank, and then head over to the police station to give a three page report detailing EXACTLY how you bypassed the security...and expect to get away with it, do you? There was no risk, and infinite reward. Regardless of anything else, that reeks of exploitation, and at the very least is totally anti-EVE.


Or so Goons have been telling everyone in highsec and miners in general for years

But if its done to them, no thats not anti-EVE


You set up this post to quote Sreegs, then you quoted someone else. Why would you do that?

[b]Don't worry about posting with your main!  Post with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."[/b]
Gul'gotha Derv'ash
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2888 - 2012-06-24 02:42:05 UTC
InternetSpaceship wrote:
So I noticed there isn't a lot of the "CCP is goons" talk that usually surfaces in other threads. Where are all the DevSwarm and favoritism accusations? It just doesn't feel like a goon hate thread without them. :(



Honestly these guys could be getting used as patsies. After the blow back on CCP from the war dec changes that occurred as soon as goons got dog piled it wouldn't surprise me. CCP needs to try to save face on the community thinking they are in bed with goons. Especially since it is a growing concern for a lot of people. What better way than to throw a small group of them under the bus for abusing some in game mechanics like idiots? Serves the purpose of making CCP look harsh against the goons and makes an example for any other situations that may occur with abusing game mechanics.
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#2889 - 2012-06-24 02:43:01 UTC
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
Gul'gotha Derv'ash wrote:



The only amount of "community anger" is the Goons and their pets blowing the forums up. Your tears have been filling swimming pools, and I can assume you will only retaliate with another temper tantrum in the form of Burn Jita 2. We all know how your last little temper tantrum a bout Mittani getting a slap on the wrist went. It accomplished nothing and made a joke of your alliance... again.

You guys should really just shut your mouths and take your punishment. I am assuming that all of the crap you keep spewing out is going to make the situation worse for you than it already is.


*Bursts through a Brick wall*

OH YEAH!

You'll have to forgive me, I've been on a bit of a killing spree in WoT plus all this fun has me wound up tighter than a rabid wolverine snorting amphetamines cut with powdered sugar and *******.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmti-h3HQxQ


Too bad you can't have fun in MWO.

[b]Don't worry about posting with your main!  Post with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."[/b]
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#2890 - 2012-06-24 02:44:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Antisocial Malkavian
Graic Gabtar wrote:
Oisin Sandovar wrote:
Lots of quotes.
From an interview CCP gave:

Quote:
Asked whether the players have to deal with any consequences of the case said Peter, "Technically speaking, they were not doing anything that was forbidden. Thus, it is unclear what will be done. "



Before or after Sreegs? Kinda asking which is more recent and the CURRENT party line

Lapine Davion wrote:


Too bad you can't have fun in MWO.


Really? Youre in the Beta I take it? Whats your name there?

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2891 - 2012-06-24 02:45:14 UTC
Gul'gotha Derv'ash wrote:
InternetSpaceship wrote:
So I noticed there isn't a lot of the "CCP is goons" talk that usually surfaces in other threads. Where are all the DevSwarm and favoritism accusations? It just doesn't feel like a goon hate thread without them. :(



Honestly these guys could be getting used as patsies. After the blow back on CCP from the war dec changes that occurred as soon as goons got dog piled it wouldn't surprise me. CCP needs to try to save face on the community thinking they are in bed with goons. Especially since it is a growing concern for a lot of people. What better way than to throw a small group of them under the bus for abusing some in game mechanics like idiots? Serves the purpose of making CCP look harsh against the goons and makes an example for any other situations that may occur with abusing game mechanics.


they don't have to save face because they could have just banned the person riling everyone up over it and spreading a dumb rumor

they also don't have to save face because, well, we literally don't give a crap about wardecs

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#2892 - 2012-06-24 02:50:09 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
so if its more profittable than say... incursions were pre nerf...


while requiring orders of magnitude more effort and intelligence


and less risk and more reward :D

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#2893 - 2012-06-24 02:51:30 UTC
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
We're missing one one. Someone that one hasn't posted. Where is he? WHERE IS HE???

Won't ya please make way for a very special guy
Our man Mittani is king of the pumpkin patch
Everyone heil to the Pumpkin King now!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sw8pcxE6U9k


Im waiting for the Sins of a Solar Spymaster blog
lol

why HASNT he gone screaming to every video gaming press site in the world like he usually does when CCP does things he doesnt like?

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association
#2894 - 2012-06-24 02:52:17 UTC
Lapine Davion wrote:

Too bad you can't have fun in MWO.


Only had enough time to alpha test one thing, so I went with WoWP.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXo8UBwE18E
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#2895 - 2012-06-24 02:52:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Antisocial Malkavian
Graic Gabtar wrote:
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
We're missing one one. Someone that one hasn't posted. Where is he? WHERE IS HE???

Won't ya please make way for a very special guy
Our man Mittani is king of the pumpkin patch
Everyone heil to the Pumpkin King now!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sw8pcxE6U9k
Mittens can afford to be patient.

CCP are the ones posturing, and trying to work out how to spin this.

Mittens will be watchful. Based on the laughably pre-judgmental comments from CCP Screegs when an investigation is still underway the Goons will need the be cautious of what is classed as an exploit. Something for instance such as an aggessive expansion of OTEC.

Or Mittens could just saw screw it and burn everything.


Im hoping to see this

Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
corestwo wrote:

Mittens had nothing to do with any of this.


Actually several gaming media outlets have been looking to interview him re this, and he's remained highly hidden.


odd that he chooses THIS story to be quiet on huh?

Lapine Davion wrote:


You set up this post to quote Sreegs, then you quoted someone else. Why would you do that?


...cause I wasnt doing what you assumed I was?
I know, shocking

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
#2896 - 2012-06-24 02:56:15 UTC
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
corestwo wrote:

Mittens had nothing to do with any of this.


Actually several gaming media outlets have been looking to interview him re this, and he's remained highly hidden.

Of course they have been looking to interview him - he's the obvious person to go to when some goon thing happens. Nonetheless, as someone who was involved in this, I can assure you that he was not.

He's remained hidden, by the way, because he's at a wedding in Alaska.

This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.

fofofo
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2897 - 2012-06-24 02:56:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Richard Desturned
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
so if its more profittable than say... incursions were pre nerf...


while requiring orders of magnitude more effort and intelligence


and less risk and more reward :D


hahahahahaha call me when the individual incursion runner is risking hundreds of billions of isk on a single project working out and i'll agree that this involves "less risk"

goddamn

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association
#2898 - 2012-06-24 02:57:47 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Spitfire
Inappropriate post removed. Spitfire
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#2899 - 2012-06-24 02:59:34 UTC
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
Graic Gabtar wrote:
Or Mittens could just saw screw it and burn everything.


I hope to see this too: I'd love to see Mittens screw a saw. A nice rusty one. Or maybe a chainsaw....


Id like to see him try to burn it all down like the Goons constantly threaten. JUST DO IT

Then again Id LOVE to see the hamfisted CCP response that bans them all

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Haquer
Vorkuta Inc
#2900 - 2012-06-24 03:02:17 UTC
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
Graic Gabtar wrote:
Or Mittens could just saw screw it and burn everything.


I hope to see this too: I'd love to see Mittens screw a saw. A nice rusty one. Or maybe a chainsaw....


Id like to see him try to burn it all down like the Goons constantly threaten.


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