Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Agreed, flawed idea leads to good discussion once trolls are taken out of the equation

Well we've been telling them if they don't want to sacrifice yield then you must do "B". Personally, I disagree, I think there'd be alot of new random traffic, mostly noobs, so wonderful ganking opportunities. We just have to be a little more crafty to catch em.




I seem to remember mounting a cyno to my manticore once, or i may be making it up in my mind. Can't say for sure. I would think it only needs to survive long enough to get your people through, though if you die then they lose point so yeah...kinda pointless. Probably the biggest thing thing I would fear is a rapier or similar recon, even if they target slow if they can manage to bump you then they might have something.

Been in an out of nullsec with the same ship since 2009 and it never saw a gate camp.

So yeah, I can't get past a gate camp. So I go around them.

Raging? No. I am not angry. But I am not impressed by the constant null vs high PVPer vs carebear bickering that we see a lot of in the forums.

I once spent a week in an off system by one of these gank pipelines after being dropped in via wormhole, and as usual, empty. But it was a dead end system anyway, full of untouched resources. Still the maps where showing a lot of death in the one route to low and then on to Amarr high sec.

During that time, bored, I read some long threads of the typical argument in which it was posted many ways to get around gate camps. Seeing some methods I didn't see before, I got into a same-account alt to try them out. Nice cheap clone, female also to adorn someone's frozen corpse collection, and set about trying all the tricks. My goal was to "meet myself" in that dead-end system for the lolz.

I find that even the best methods work only 70 percent of the time. This is pretty good, but still only good enough for people based in low or null. Remember my point is to answer to the complaints of people living out there already, as the gripe about lack of goodfights, targets, opportunities, and just complain about highsec carebears.

But after a while it started to occur to me that you can beat most of the gate campers most of the time but someone who is actually thinking will get you every time. Eventually my little alt space sweety ended up in a bubble that was right on top of the gate, in a system that showed only a few people there but no kills in the last hour - meaning they were camping it for a while and probably committing that crime of being semi-afk that many people say miners should die in a fire (in game) for. The cost of the ammo they used exceeded the cost of the frigate and clone. I didn't meet myself but I did find a wormhole out.... into another 0.0 system that was 28 jumps away from high sec and there I met one person in local after messing around for week....

a carrier belonging to a Russian alliance that was ...... ratting.

Meanwhile, before that, and since that time, I have spent months in nullsec in excursions way past the camps and weeks go by without seeing anybody in local. Sometimes I was hunted and learned good smack in foreign languages too. Sorry to make the bots dock up. I work along and unsupported, never using stations in NPC space but taking great pleasure in the efforts of those who thought I was docked and attempted to camp me in without first checking.

Because of my activities and what I have observed, I see across the spectrum of the game and have concluded that imposed travel restrictions on which gate mechanics are based are what makes the present situation possible. Would it have been nice if I could have called up some buddies in that system with the one carrier ratting and had them come out and destroy it? Does that sound unfair? But how many renters does the alliance owning that ship have on the way out there, using gates, "killing everything that moves", so that it's possible to rat in a carrier and not even notice when I show up?

I care not for killing ships though, but I am thinking of those who do. And I am also thinking of people who like to gank others who are complacent.

While there is much complaining about the complacency of the so-called high sec carebears, what about low sec? Meanwhile, there is a lot of space out there not being touched at all. I have been to NPC space and sov held space in the backwaters and will find it's chock full of sites and resources. Why not should a bunch of "highseccers" not be able to form up a raid/combat group and sneak in?

Again I say, "ball up", because if the whole arrangement is "untouched sanctuary deep in null with a ring of gatecamping cannonfodder keeping everybody else in", then I really want to know who can defend that?

What, the people in high sec have not "earned" the right to be out there? What it "earning" the right? When I see fat people at the gym I have respect for them because hey, that are at least at the gym.

So we see a barrier erected by the players whereby one must "earn" the right to be out there by what? Signing on with the people already out there. And that's considered lucky. How many end up as renters?

Again I would ask, how do you defend things the way they are?

But I am still answering to the complaints. If things are to stay the way they are, then people need to stop the complaining. If you are going to sit in a constellation and kill everything that moves, stop complaining when there are few things around there moving. And if you want to camp all day watching a gate, then stop looking down on people who want to mine rocks all day. As far as I am concerned, both players are playing the same kind of game - one that would have the rest of us slamming our heads in the nearest door.

Would this be a module? Skills or implants a factor? Who knows, but even without this aspect, I see a lot of fear.

And I am once more not impressed because I figured that the people camping gates all day would see my idea as a release from this drudgery of gate camping. What's wrong with having to patrol your deep null systems to make sure someone is not sneaking about? Instead I see someone describe a scenario of one ship causing a lot of trouble simply because it could get out there.

In many ways, my proposal would possibly make nullsec as dangerous as highsec. But is this not what people want? People gank hulk all over high sec to remind people that this is a PVP game.

Random entry point instead of gate landing is actually a very good idea.

Except for one "but": any substantial improvements in PvP and null-sec mechanics have potential to shift economy and status quo for null alliances - and it may result in massive forum shitstorm, player exodus, CCP staff layoffs, etc. etc. All while CCP is on verge of releasing Dust. I wouldn't expect any substantial changes in EVE (except maybe mining frigate release) for at least couple years until it will be clear if Dust succeed or not.

Capsuleers can't starve, so that means you're talking about... uh oh... everybody, run, the mods are coming.

Actually, the goons ARE starving. That is why (as a whole) they are raiding hisec. That is also why this discussion even came up. Eve *is* dying and the goons raiding hisec are merely a symptom (not the cause!) of that.

Edit: Eve does not have to die and it CAN be turned around. I am not the only older player leaving Eve. The only reason I even read the forums today is because I thought Eve was down because I wanted to update my training queue even though this account will be expiring soon (in case Eve comes alive again). Obviously, Eve was not down, it was a networking issue.

And here you have an intelligent and sensible argument again. I do not know whether to like you or dislike you.

These game mechanics need to be looked at. Why is a 700 DPS cloaky ship such a threat to an alliance that they need to shut everything down to go looking for you?

Can you pop a cyno and invite in a fleet of 50+ Titans? Perhaps the cyno-jamming mechanics need to be looked at.

Can you hunt down and kill a small mining op? Sure, but they should have a couple 500+ DPS ships protecting the op.

Again, why does everything need to stop just to get a single ship out of their space?

If think gate camping is where kills come from in Null.....

I suppose the answer is that it does not.

All that would need to be done is for people in nullsec to follow the same list of precautions that are given to Hulk pilots in highsec and any lowsec mission runner.


You know, the one where you have to always stay aligned, watch local, use the D-scanner, etc.

It's an easy list to follow, since everybody in lowsec and nullsec says it is and they promote it so much, and with such vigor whenever anybody gets jumped or ganked and complains about it in the forums.

Unfortunately, as someone who cloaks but is rarely AFK - doing it to survive and stay off the killboards - I see a lot of T2 ships dock up. Per the script I guess. There's deep dark secrets afoot. Perhaps another benefit of system to system warp capability is what damage it will do to botting.