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The Punishment for Blasphemy

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Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#21 - 2012-06-23 04:31:48 UTC
Just one question; will the executions be broadcast?

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.

Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#22 - 2012-06-23 04:49:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Makkal Hanaya
Anabella Rella wrote:
Just one question; will the executions be broadcast?


The execution (singular) will likely be broadcast on the Planetary Network for Shinsuru. If you're in the system and have a strong enough receiver, you might be able to pick it up.

Katrina Oniseki wrote:
Hey now. This isn't the Federation.

Public execution.

Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's.

Shaounee Huren
Mir'Mulnir Tribe
#23 - 2012-06-23 04:54:53 UTC
If this is a matter, as Ms Hanaya submits, of local laws being broken then I would like to ask my esteemed Amarrian friend what should be done to the Amarrians in Matar space who run slave plantations under contracts awarded by the Joint Harvesting Corporation in systems such as Bakrik?
Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#24 - 2012-06-23 04:59:12 UTC
By 'Amarrian' are you referring to me?

Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's.

Shaounee Huren
Mir'Mulnir Tribe
#25 - 2012-06-23 05:17:20 UTC
Makkal Hanaya wrote:
By 'Amarrian' are you referring to me?
Amarrian being those who have given themselves to the "One True God and have been reclaimed" as stated in the Book of Reclaiming, and yes the question was to you madam.
Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#26 - 2012-06-23 05:41:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Makkal Hanaya
Shaounee Huren wrote:
Makkal Hanaya wrote:
By 'Amarrian' are you referring to me?
Amarrian being those who have given themselves to the "One True God and have been reclaimed" as stated in the Book of Reclaiming, and yes the question was to you madam.

The Book of Reclaiming calls those people the Chosen, and they are not limited to the True Amarr or to the subjects of the Amarrian Empire.

As for legal matters in among the Matar, I expect that their criminals are subject to whatever law and legal proceedings hold sway in that domain. If you want to know the punishment for specific crimes in Matar space, asking a woman of the Khanid Kingdom is a less than efficient method. As I understand it, there are dozens of tribes and each has their own way of handling various crimes.

Have you tried doing a GNet search? Or asking a tribal member?

Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's.

Mensha Khael Crow
House Murder
#27 - 2012-06-23 09:33:45 UTC
Scherezad wrote:
Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote:
As much as I'd like to see that video personally in the quiet of my office with no-one around, those Caldari individuals are responsible for their own behaviour, and their crimes. They got caught watching blasphemous material in the Empire. You wouldn't want to get caught poaching for slaves in Pator either. Cultural insensitivity is no excuse for repatriation or rescue, they ran afoul of a local custom and should face the Amarrian consequences with Caldari honour.


Certainly so, but it may strain relations. The best way to ensure a strong relationship is through trust, and I am of the opinion that trusting Kaalakiota to administer appropriate justice for the crimes would be the greatest sign of that trust.


For being in possession of blasphemous material. Material that directly insults the current holder of the Throne they receive three months of restricted diet and physical punishment. After which another holder considers whether they show proper understandanging to the error of their ways. This holder may upon finding them sufficiently apologetic to transfer them over to Kaalakiota.

If I misunderstood the terms of their punishment I hope I will be corrected.

After such extreme considerations to our allies the Caldari on the sentencing and an exceedingly liberal amounts of mercy by this holder, you truly think suggesting no punishment and transferrance to their own corporation would have been more just?

You would do better to thank Lady Hanaya for exceeding leniency and apparent trust in Kaalakiota's local leaders to see that this does not happen again.
Our righteousness is evident in the failures of the heathen, God keep us from falling prey to their weaknesses.
Malcolm Khross
Doomheim
#28 - 2012-06-23 10:20:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Malcolm Khross
We Caldari honor the laws and culture of the land we are in.

The Kaalakiota Corporation employees committed a crime, penance is due. The Lord of Lady Hanaya has demonstrated fairness in that he is also punishing his own for this violation and is accounting for the supposed ignorance of the Caldari. As it was Imperial or Kingdom law that was broken within Imperial or Kingdom space, it is only just that the Caldari be submitted to Imperial or Kingdom justice, a plea for mercy due to their foreign misunderstanding of the law system was submitted and apparently taken into consideration.

Further deliberation on this matter should be left to Lord Hanaya and the CEO or a delegated representative of the Kaalakiota Corporation.

~Malcolm Khross

Evelyn Meiyi
Corvidae Trading and Holding
#29 - 2012-06-23 11:00:26 UTC
Shaounee Huren wrote:
If this is a matter, as Ms Hanaya submits, of local laws being broken then I would like to ask my esteemed Amarrian friend what should be done to the Amarrians in Matar space who run slave plantations under contracts awarded by the Joint Harvesting Corporation in systems such as Bakrik?


Unfortunately, I can only offer speculation. I don't have the Council's timetable on dealing with Holders that overstep their bounds. As the offense was committed in Minmatar space, perhaps the Matari should be more diligent in protecting their borders?
Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#30 - 2012-06-23 15:17:21 UTC
It is important to acknowledge ones' errors and misjudgements. I feel I have communicated my position poorly and haven't done proper research on the topic before posting. In this I have detracted from the main post. I apologize for the intrusion, and hope that your conversation can continue smoothly and uninterrupted.
Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#31 - 2012-06-23 16:32:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Silas Vitalia
Evelyn Meiyi wrote:
... dealing with Holders that overstep their bounds.


I hope you are referring to Hanaya?

Sabik now, Sabik forever

Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#32 - 2012-06-23 16:32:52 UTC
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Sabik now, Sabik forever

Mensha Khael Crow
House Murder
#33 - 2012-06-23 21:33:26 UTC
Shaounee Huren wrote:
If this is a matter, as Ms Hanaya submits, of local laws being broken then I would like to ask my esteemed Amarrian friend what should be done to the Amarrians in Matar space who run slave plantations under contracts awarded by the Joint Harvesting Corporation in systems such as Bakrik?


The amount of assumptions you are jumping in your question smells of thinly veiled propaganda.

Firstly we do not have access to the agreements with the Republic by which Joint harvesting awards those contracts. So I cannot say whether those plantations benefit from a differing status to other plantations.

1. If those plantations do by agreement with the Republic benefit from, for excample, being applied Amarrian instead of the Republic law even your laws are not being broken.

2. If those plantations are being run against written agreements with the Republic, then that is a contractual breach and on such we tend to share our Caldari allies dislike of. No matter the culprit.

3. If those plantations do not violate written agreements, but by some quirk still violate your laws I am certain there will be plenty enough of murderous tribals to enforce some part of those laws.

On 1. If by contract no laws are broken, then I would expect any society of some order to respect the fact. With Tribes I expect the need for security against bloodcrazed racists and oathbreakers.

On 2. If there is a contractual breach I would be interested to see proof so that holders of such low moral character can feel the displeasure of such failings at home as well.

On 3. I will show the Republic law as much respect and accordance as the Tribes have. And as much as you show to Amarrian law in our sovereignity. None. (Barring differing contractual obligations.)

Mensha Khael Crow
Our righteousness is evident in the failures of the heathen, God keep us from falling prey to their weaknesses.
Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#34 - 2012-06-23 21:46:02 UTC
Silas Vitalia wrote:
Evelyn Meiyi wrote:
... dealing with Holders that overstep their bounds.


I hope you are referring to Hanaya?

I am not a Holder, Lady Vitalia.

What overstepping do you feel Lord Hanaya has committed? He has legal authority within his own domain and foreigners are subject to it. We of the Kingdom are not like our brother and sisters in the Empire, who are obliged to follow the decrees of the Theology Council. Nor would it be prudent to ask the King Khanid II himself for a verdict.

Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's.

Ssakaa
Animatar Foundation
#35 - 2012-06-23 23:01:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Ssakaa
Mensha Khael Crow wrote:


3. If those plantations do not violate written agreements, but by some quirk still violate your laws I am certain there will be plenty enough of murderous tribals to enforce some part of those laws.


Quirks or not, Mr Crow, you're skimping details. Thus, for your very own pleasure, I offer the verbose book-before-bedtime addendum of Three.

Behold the J.H. convoy trudging to and fro all lined up for attention. Do you see it in your mind's eye? Right. So you'd likely think that these things would offer some nice scintillating explosions, but they don't so you'd be wrong. A bit of a let-down as they disintegrate and pirhouette slowly away from the scene in gold-hued bits and pieces of detritis. Fortunately for we murderous tribals, as you put it, why, we know full well that these slaves of yours are valuable commodities and are thus well protected inside their re-enforced cargo modules from the rigours of reclamation tribal style, such as we do it (and we do it very well indeed, thank you).

Emm, this now reminds me of a thing. One time we had a Concord 'watcher' close to the left and slightly above, a Republic Fleet copper to the right of us, almost parallel-ly. It was very neatly nuanced and synchronised metaphor of the status quo of Barkrik as a place, wayward as it is. I thought it interesting at the time. Maybe you do as well.

But back to the carnage. Sometimes we encourage the stronger of the released to beat their former guards absolutely bloody senseless before they are expelled with their religious paraphernalia and all that fictional guff straight out of the air-locks, as is only de rigeur for such occasions. One of my own Animataruu crew-men is a little over-zealous with all of this, Mr. Crow; I have had to half-heartedly reprimand him on more than eight ... nine occasions this year alone. But he is unrepentant so I ruffle his hair, promise him another raise and he forgives me. Love, sweet love, my paramour.

And before I forget. Why is JH transporting the occasional slave of Caldari ethnic origins? I'm no anthropologist, but ... well perhaps you can explain it all to Mr. Khross and his fellows.

"Modern Life is Rubbish"

Malcolm Khross
Doomheim
#36 - 2012-06-24 00:51:38 UTC
Ssakaa wrote:

And before I forget. Why is JH transporting the occasional slave of Caldari ethnic origins? I'm no anthropologist, but ... well perhaps you can explain it all to Mr. Khross and his fellows.


This is interesting. I trust you can verify these claims?

~Malcolm Khross

Ssakaa
Animatar Foundation
#37 - 2012-06-24 01:38:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Ssakaa
Malcolm Khross wrote:
Ssakaa wrote:

And before I forget. Why is JH transporting the occasional slave of Caldari ethnic origins? I'm no anthropologist, but ... well perhaps you can explain it all to Mr. Khross and his fellows.


This is interesting. I trust you can verify these claims?


Verifably. We've been at this business for a long time now and like to put all the pieces of the filthy jigsaw together, if we can. Our friends who handle the repatriation of those caught in the cross-fire would have more information for you but since the Caldari and Minmatar militias aren't seeing eye to eye, don't expect free info about this that or the other.

Brief details: Two Caldari of ethnic origin discovered. Two men, mid-thirties or so, were taken to safety on my own ship, where, as civilians, they were given aid as best as we could manage and then moved on away from a location. Health poor, malnourishment obvious, traumatised, you bet they were. The usual lamentable effects of Sarum's mob. 'God', clearly, didn't love them very much.

This was approximately six months back.

"Modern Life is Rubbish"

Kohiko Sun
Stormcrows
#38 - 2012-06-24 01:44:46 UTC
You do not think the Empire's slaves are only Minmatar, I hope. The system is much more egalitarian than that, with people from every modern nation - and some absorbed nations - including ethnic "true" Amarr. Nine Caldari were listed in this announcement. Eighteen crewmen who ejected from me - most of them Achur - were taken and "awarded" by some Imperial court into another's custody for unspecified crimes against the Empire - nevermind that the "rescue" was in Isendeldik, which is two jumps from Pator and nowhere near the Empire's border, and I had never entered Imperial space before that time.

Those are only two "minor" examples. Looking at a census, court records, or merchandise inventories can be enlightening. And do not forget the system is generational, and family trees branch out.
Ssakaa
Animatar Foundation
#39 - 2012-06-24 01:47:48 UTC
Kohiko Sun wrote:
You do not think the Empire's slaves are only Minmatar, I hope.


There we go. Concise and clear enough.

"Modern Life is Rubbish"

Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#40 - 2012-06-24 07:25:28 UTC
This is an announcement of a specific punishment for a specific crime.


While the actions of Joint Harvest, the general ethnic make-up of slaves, and Ssakaa's blood-lust are all interesting in their own right, may I ask that those discussions be moved to a different thread?

I have made an addendum to the original post.

Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's.