Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Let's remove dependency on gates. All ships dial in warp system to system, distance based on power? Modules? Whatever?


Want more people in null? Let people make incursions deep into it with system-to-system dialed in warp ala Star Trek/Star Wars. Don't like it? Then all you want are targets in your gate camp. Don't want people out there not under your control? Then all you want is cannon fodder for your NAPped up ISK fountain. Admit it.

Want more small fleet engagement? Then let's replace the bubble camp with the combat patrol and make the combat probe more useful than the warp bubble. Don't like the idea? Then sitting on a gate is as dysfunctional as mining all day, and admit that you are just as semi-afk as those miners. What kind of game is that? And stop calling it PVP.

In the world of gunfighting a door is often referred to as a "fatal funnel" where anybody watching it can have a very easy time shooting anybody who comes through. Gates are fatal funnels. These comprise a "Great Wall of Carebear".

So let's man up a bit and admit how dumb it is to complain on the forums about how dead low/null is while killing everything that comes through the fatal funnel. Let everybody dial in a warp from system to system. How? Mechanics? Who cares.

Nothing would stir things up more than this. The NAPfest? Meaningless. Deserted 0.0 systems? Ripe for the picking. Gate camps? Gone. Blob warfare? History.

Until this changes, we might as well all be playing a game of wet biscuit and pretending it's something to be proud of.

Well, Herzog, I've seen some pretty bizarre ideas come from your keyboard, but this isn't one of them.

EVE does need some shaking up and I think you are on to a good start for how it might be done. Space right now consists of gates and stations. Kinda boring in my opinion.

Lose the gates. Or add to them via a skill and module for a personal Cyno and things would certainly get interesting again.

Mr Epeen

Gates are pretty clearly an imperfect way of doing a space MMO but at this point removing gates from EVE would be like removing jumps from a Mario.

I like your thinking, but IMO probes are a tad to easy as is.

I think gates should still exist, but should dump you at some random point in the next system, rather then gate to gate. While your "every ship jump capable" idea is good in theory, how do you suggext getting from region to region, i.e Y-2 in fountain to ZXB in delve?

So yeah, systems still have out gates, but jumps you to random point in target system.

Would we just go to having nothing but station camps?

Also, more than "get rid of gates" is needed. From where can a star jump be initiated from? Do you have to get far away from a station or planet first? Where do you end up after the jump?

Are only certain stars accessible from any given star? For example we could have that you can only jump over the same routes we can now with star gates, you just do not use gates. Or would we want to allow new routes, or free movement over all of the the star system?

Having friends has its benefits I guess.

Real world wars are not typically fought over chokehold points but rather over strategically valuable locations. Not sure why the same couldn't work in EvE, if you hold something valuable people will come find it and fight for it and there shouldn't be a need for chokehold points to force a fight.

I'm a high-sec miner/mission runner, If the changes the OP proposed were to take place, and thus remove gate camps, I would go into low/null a lot more often.

I don't see any reason to complain over this idea.
High-sec people get to see more of the universe without getting insta-ganked as soon as they enter low-sec.
Low/Null-sec people get more targets.

Where's the problem?

No it'll mean getting kills would be easier then ever, getting into an enemy system would be so easy even OP could do it.

How do you make getting kills easier when you remove the chokepoint system?