EVE General Discussion

If it was really intended it wouldn't be being investigated. Simple as that. Argue all you want, but CCP's actions reveal that this was not intended.

Such as webbing freighters on undock and bumping them to prevent them docking, cancelling warp or getting away? Or perhaps fitting Titans in such a way that they can blow moving interceptors out of the sky? Some problems can be fixed (such as halving the tracking on XL turrets), others can't (such as the mechanics behind docking, warping and being able to stop a warp).

When you find yourself thinking, "when CCP see me doing this, they're sure to nerf it," or "I can't believe they didn't think of this," that should be a clue that what you are doing is likely to be classed as an exploit. The FW reward system was intended to reward people for engaging in PvP in the FW environment, not to reward people for blowing up ridiculously overvalued freighter loads of goods in hisec, far away from FW fleets. I don't expect anyone actually believes that the design intent of FW was to have players blowing up their own freighters in hisec.

The people involved were clever to work this system out to efficiently. They were too full of their own egos though, and ruined the gig for everyone.

Actually, I don't think it was. I had posted the question "if you say this was all done in the interest of helping out EvE and the community, then why not do the "proof of concept" on Sisi."

And the response was "not possible". And while I agree the market manipulation wasn't possible as the market doesn't exists there, generating crap loads of LP and presenting to the devs with "See, in 15 minutes I just earned 1 BILLION LP's. Are you sure you guys got this stuff right?"

So, no, it wasn't spotted on Sisi. And even if the market did exist and everything was doable on Sisi, they wouldn't have done it there anyway.

As they already stated, the point wasn't to QA the system design, the point was to get rich, filthy space rich. And, then try and shut down the operation by telling CCP about so that nobody else got space rich, because "that would be damaging".

This happens IRL all the time. Bankers fix the system in such a way that the man on the street can't get a shot at the riches, lobbyist ensure that GE pays no taxes while the rest of us turn into peasants, Facebook insiders sell overpriced shares to the public and BP pays a few million for permanently destroying the fisheries in the Gulf while still continuing to pump oil.

Smart people game the system even better than the people in charge of the system. The only way for us to stay in the game is to keep up. This is what makes EvE real.

constable hit the nail on the head.

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It appears the proper tactic would have been to alert CCP to the problem. If CCP failed to do anything to correct it once alerted then use the problem to your advantage.

Unfortunately it appears these goon spacefriends used the problem to their advantage, then alerted CCP to the problem.

The problem here being the market basis formula and lp reward ratios.

Regardless one poster above, I can't remember who, identified another huge flaw in the new FW design. The advantages for acheiving each tier are massive. In a game with usually 5% advantages per level (with skills) who thought a 100% advantage per level or whatever the damn advantage is for each tier was a good idea. That and no reward at all for defensive plexing. I can understand wanting to favor offensive plexing and incentivize attainment of each tier, but the design here seems extreme.

Soundwave doesn't have to hope the system is broken, it is broken.

Yeah, and I agree here. CCP got themselves into a bad spot trying to polish this turd that is "Faction Wars". And that's why it's been largely unused and ignored.

But I do applaud them in trying to think of something to get more people shooting each other instead of shooting NPC's and rocks.

Explain people what is the Wee Wee Slap first so they know how painful it can be:

You put someone in some closed room, no windows, no light, no water no food and no toilets and you make them listen this for 48h NON STOP

Yes, it is CCP's fault: why the hell do they employ an economist in any case?

It is also an exploit if CCP decides it is, given that it's their game and the definition of an exploit is subjective.

In the past, CCP have called something that bypasses "Rules As Intended" as an exploit and I expect they will be consistent in this case.

And they should call it an exploit and they should get every last bit of profit back, as failing to do so would cause me, and many others I am sure, to leap towards the point of no return where you think "What's the frakkin' point? No amount of work or organisation could ever allow me to catch up with that amount of wealth." And that's where people just unsub.

Accordingly I'd disagree that this is a wonderful example of the colourful sandbox which will get more people to play the game. It'll put off any potential players (as well as any non-goon-butt-licker existing player).

Please don't get me wrong, I'm not saying this because I don't like Goons. Yes we all know they're generally a bunch of mom's-basement socially-deficient children, but ever since I read Mittani's first leaked eloquent address to them back in the BoB days I knew that Goon leadership would turn the rabble into a force to be reckoned with. Anyway, I have no particular hostility to them.