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Goons 4x4ing through the Sandbox - Market Manipulation on a Grand Scale

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15th Century Portrait
Doomheim
#2221 - 2012-06-23 07:12:43 UTC
the thread eaters are moving behind us now. they've awakened!!!

slowly the posts will be consumed.

The langoliers! the Langoliers!
15th Century Portrait
Doomheim
#2222 - 2012-06-23 07:14:34 UTC
okay. goodnight again.

thanks mods. we all had fun. sandbox, varied fun, yadda yadda. no hard feelings.
Shameless Avenger
Can Preachers of Kador
#2223 - 2012-06-23 07:14:49 UTC
15th Century Portrait wrote:
the thread eaters are moving behind us now. they've awakened!!!

slowly the posts will be consumed.

The langoliers! the Langoliers!


I noticed that. They must be like "Darn! It's gonna be one of those thread locking days :\".

"This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro"
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association
#2224 - 2012-06-23 07:16:24 UTC
I was wondering how long it would take before the mods awoke.

I wonder if this abomination will finally get them to do something about goons, or will it be another age before the stars are again right, and the sunken city rises above the primal mystery of the deeps?
15th Century Portrait
Doomheim
#2225 - 2012-06-23 07:17:55 UTC
the speed is picking up. its like you can hear the tornado coming at you
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2226 - 2012-06-23 07:18:09 UTC
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
I wonder if this abomination will finally get them to do something about goons, or will it be another age before the stars are again right, and the sunken city rises above the primal mystery of the deeps?


why should they "do something about goons"

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Kalicor Lightwind
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#2227 - 2012-06-23 07:18:36 UTC
I don't really understand why people are freaking out. They clearly exploited the intended use of the mechanic, that's not "emergent gameplay" that's "abuse" and "exploiting".

Really guys, taking an item and making the game think it's more valuable than it actually is in order to artificially inflate your LP gains - if that's not like a textbook definition of "exploiting" then I don't know what is. It's most definitely not the intended use of the mechanic (so thus also would violate the golden rule of gameplay). It was cheating and I hope CCP removes all of the illicit gains.
15th Century Portrait
Doomheim
#2228 - 2012-06-23 07:18:48 UTC
i had lots of laughs. oddly. good luck goons. good night moon. everybody poops.
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association
#2229 - 2012-06-23 07:19:51 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:

why should they "do something about goons"


Because you made them look weak. Look, making CCP look like chumps is not a good thing. Sure, it's a nice quick laugh. The problem is that you then are putting them in a position where they have to get tough on you, or every player under the sun is going to say 'But you let Goons do it.'.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2230 - 2012-06-23 07:20:36 UTC
Kalicor Lightwind wrote:
I don't really understand why people are freaking out. They clearly exploited the intended use of the mechanic, that's not "emergent gameplay" that's "abuse" and "exploiting".

Really guys, taking an item and making the game think it's more valuable than it actually is in order to artificially inflate your LP gains - if that's not like a textbook definition of "exploiting" then I don't know what is. It's most definitely not the intended use of the mechanic (so thus also would violate the golden rule of gameplay). It was cheating and I hope CCP removes all of the illicit gains.


a lot of mechanics are used in "unintended ways"

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Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2231 - 2012-06-23 07:21:17 UTC
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
Because you made them look weak. Look, making CCP look like chumps is not a good thing. Sure, it's a nice quick laugh. The problem is that you then are putting them in a position where they have to get tough on you, or every player under the sun is going to say 'But you let Goons do it.'.


how did I make them look weak?

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Nobani
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#2232 - 2012-06-23 07:21:25 UTC
Hey, CCP, if you're changing the unintended mechanics retroactively now, is:
- Goonswarm going to wake up with no ISK due to our Tech gains getting reversed.
- Solar going to get some Titans reversed because the Drone Regions weren't intended to supplant mining as a source of high-ends?
- High-sec towers going to spontaneously self-destruct because war-shedding wasn't intended?
- Ships going to be reimbursed because Titans weren't intended to be able to track frigates?
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association
#2233 - 2012-06-23 07:22:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Cygnet Lythanea
Richard Desturned wrote:


how did I make them look weak?



You, personally, no idea. Goonswarm in general: exploiting the crap out of a mechanic that would have allowed them to produce near infinite isk, effectively breaking the market (and, in principal, EvE)?

Oh yeah, that made them look bad.

Do you know why players behave? Because GMs have a certain amount of respect. Now, you come along, you make CCP look weak. That costs the GMs respect.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2234 - 2012-06-23 07:24:53 UTC
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
You, personally, no ideea. Goonswarm in general: exploiting the crap out of a mechanic that would have allowed them to produce near infinite isk, effectively breaking the market (and, in principal, EvE)? Oh yeah, that made them look bad.


Five guys are not "Goonswarm in general"

anything else

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Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#2235 - 2012-06-23 07:25:52 UTC
Nobani wrote:
Hey, CCP, if you're changing the unintended mechanics retroactively now, is:
- Goonswarm going to wake up with no ISK due to our Tech gains getting reversed.
- Solar going to get some Titans reversed because the Drone Regions weren't intended to supplant mining as a source of high-ends?
- High-sec towers going to spontaneously self-destruct because war-shedding wasn't intended?
- Ships going to be reimbursed because Titans weren't intended to be able to track frigates?


Look at you desperately grasping at straws. That's so cute it deserves a like.
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association
#2236 - 2012-06-23 07:26:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Cygnet Lythanea
Richard Desturned wrote:

Five guys are not "Goonswarm in general"

anything else



I might point out that those five guys made a whole lot of goons accessory to it passing out all that isk. Then it's more than 5 guys.


Besides, when you slap on the colors, what you do, you're there representing goons when you do it.
Elena Melkan
Magellanic Itg
Goonswarm Federation
#2237 - 2012-06-23 07:27:31 UTC
Nobani wrote:
Hey, CCP, if you're changing the unintended mechanics retroactively now, is:
- Goonswarm going to wake up with no ISK due to our Tech gains getting reversed.
- Solar going to get some Titans reversed because the Drone Regions weren't intended to supplant mining as a source of high-ends?
- High-sec towers going to spontaneously self-destruct because war-shedding wasn't intended?
- Ships going to be reimbursed because Titans weren't intended to be able to track frigates?

You forgot T2 BPOs. What happens to them, then? Roll
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2238 - 2012-06-23 07:27:50 UTC
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
I might point out that those five guys made a whole lot of goons accessory to it passing out all that isk. Then it's more than 5 guys.


I might point out that this never happened

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Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association
#2239 - 2012-06-23 07:30:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Cygnet Lythanea
Richard Desturned wrote:

I might point out that this never happened

It did according to the first several pages of this thread, back when dozens of goonswarm members were bragging about it?
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2240 - 2012-06-23 07:31:06 UTC
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
It did according to the first several pages of this thread.


I get it you want to cherry-pick everything that benefits your argument but the fact is that they didn't distribute ISK to anybody because, well, it's their ISK.

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