EVE General Discussion

...now THIS is funny..
Best post of the day award right here.

Like i wrote there blog "sounds" nice and i like what hi wrote about refocusing,so i can stop trolling all and everything CCP for a few and wait to see results.

bitter vet syndrome is a serious illness that mainly affects older (pre-Apocryphia) players


cause: repeated crappy expansions


symptoms include:

constant referring to the old days of eve online.

constant whining about nerfs both new and old.

inflated egos

constant threatening to quit eve online yet don't


known treatments for terminally ill bitter vets:

cancelling subs

selling characters

known treatments for bitter vets diagnosed early:

adapting to change



ccp needs to create a sub forum called "Coping with Bitter Vet Syndrome (BVS)"

You should be able to tell by the devblogs that come henceforth. When something like this happens in a large company and they get back on track for real... people in the company are excited with the 'new' direction and should be spewing with enthusiasm that EvE is headed where it should be.

If it was lipservice this winter expansion will dwindle on into late 2012 and the employees will lose focus and forget the feelings they felt when reading his apology this week.

My bet is that its genuine but I'm not sure they can deliver on everything they've said '**** it' to for the last few years which is basically everything on the winter expansion list. There was a reason you didn't do that stuff to begin with, now suddenly you can balance hybrids and come out with new tech II modules by winter... doubt it.

I like the cut of your jib.

You clearly do have an opinion.

http://vividgamer.com/2011/03/11/ea-bioware-bans-an-irate-gamer-from-playing-purchased-games/

enjoy your SW:TOR

I dunno, I thought the burden of his statement was precisely that he has cocked it up. And I don't think you'd get a CEO admitting to a major cockup that was his fault just for the sake of PR and crowd control.

I really don't see any reason to do anything other than take Hilmar's post at face value, nor to think of him as anything other than quite brave for saying what he's said (even though he had to say it - because it was true and because EVE would be down the toilet if he hadn't, as many vets would NEVER return unless he'd said it).

The way I see it: CCP were onto a good thing with EVE - contrary to the general trend in MMOS, which is a huge subscription burst at the start, then a gradual decline, EVE was almost unique in just growing ... and growing ... and growing ... and growing.

There's no reason why they can't return to that sure and steady growth. I think they just imagined, for a while, in some coke-fuelled daze, that there might be some way of speeding up the growth by "magic tricks" like Incarna and NeX. But now, they've realized that no, the only real way to get EVE growing again like it has done, is to keep on trying to make it the best space game it could possibly be.

For sure that will include WiS, and had CQ been marketed as a side-show from the start, to be iterated on in the future, there would have been no great hullaballoo.

But the main thing is the FiS, it's been needing a spruce-up and some attention for a while.

I think also, from what he said, there must have been a change of corporate culture at CCP. At a certain point, companies that start off as groups of buddies venturing out into the unknown become victims of their own success, and have to change their management structure to accommodate more employees - they can't all be "good buddies" anymore, there has to be some professional management structure, institutionalized ways to get feedback from employees, etc., otherwise they're in danger of failing. According to Hilmar's post, this structure change seems to be happening to CCP too, and it's a good thing.