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CCP Has Declared Themselves Anti-Sandbox

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Alara IonStorm
#21 - 2012-06-22 22:36:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
Aryth wrote:
Alara IonStorm wrote:
masternerdguy wrote:

Just annoys me that CCP only calls EVE a sandbox when its convenient.

That's okay it annoys me when people pile on new definitions to the word sandbox every time CCP does something they don't like.

By the by it means non linear gameplay. and free roam worlds.

And no gods reaching down with their hands to push around the dirt.

No that is perfectly fine in a sandbox game.

Non Linear, Free Roam. = Sandbox.

Anything else is personal opinion on how the game should be run but it doesn't make it anti sandbox.
Graic Gabtar
The Lemon Party
#22 - 2012-06-22 22:36:35 UTC
masternerdguy wrote:
By interfering with the latest Goon project of using FW to farm LP, CCP has proven that they hate the sandbox.
Has there been a specific statement on CCP actions or just second hand info?

I know early on in that other threadnaught that CCP Screegs (sp) foolishly preempted the outcome of an "investigation" but has there been anything else?
Tarsus Zateki
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#23 - 2012-06-22 22:38:22 UTC
Not to date and there likely won't be until Monday at the earliest. The assets were frozen for the purpose of investigating. Not just seized, "just because".

You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world.

Pyrus Octavius
Flat Earth Believers
#24 - 2012-06-22 22:38:44 UTC
masternerdguy wrote:
By interfering with the latest Goon project of using FW to farm LP, CCP has proven that they hate the sandbox.


You owe me a new keyboard.
Graic Gabtar
The Lemon Party
#25 - 2012-06-22 22:43:25 UTC
Tarsus Zateki wrote:
Not to date and there likely won't be until Monday at the earliest. The assets were frozen for the purpose of investigating. Not just seized, "just because".
Many thanks.
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
#26 - 2012-06-22 22:45:23 UTC
Tarsus Zateki wrote:
Not to date and there likely won't be until Monday at the earliest. The assets were frozen for the purpose of investigating. Not just seized, "just because".


If CCP follows through please organise an Incrna style revolt. Keeping the sandbox sandboxy is worth unsubbing in protest for.
Lex Arson
Adversity.
Psychotic Tendencies.
#27 - 2012-06-22 22:45:59 UTC
So wait, is CCP taking away all the isk Goons made off this stuff? That 90-page thread is a bit tl;dr for me.

There's no use crying after every mistake, you just keep on trying 'til you run out of cake.

No More Heroes
Boomer Humor
Snuffed Out
#28 - 2012-06-22 22:49:07 UTC
Ban this fool already ****.

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Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
#29 - 2012-06-22 22:49:57 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
masternerdguy wrote:
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
Tarsus Zateki wrote:
Given he is pubbie filth I don't see why would want him in our flock... its not even a flock. More of a herd really. A herd of kittens. Have you ever tried getting a herd of kittens to do anything?

Hey OP, it must suck when the people you're trying to impress don't like you, huh?

I'm indifferent really.

Just annoys me that CCP only calls EVE a sandbox when its convenient.

You get used to it.



Are those..., no, no it can't be, yes it is, .......are those tears ,,,,,

Tal

Tarsus Zateki
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#30 - 2012-06-22 22:50:10 UTC
Lex Arson wrote:
So wait, is CCP taking away all the isk Goons made off this stuff? That 90-page thread is a bit tl;dr for me.


Look just a couple of posts above you mate. It right there just try a little bit, literacy is nearly within your grasp.

You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world.

Kiteo Hatto
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2012-06-22 22:55:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Kiteo Hatto
Its in masterspergguy's rules to make at least 1 whine thread a day in GD, otherwise he can't sleep at night. Im starting to like goons just for the fact that they don't like you :)
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#32 - 2012-06-22 23:06:11 UTC
Tarsus Zateki wrote:
Lex Arson wrote:
So wait, is CCP taking away all the isk Goons made off this stuff? That 90-page thread is a bit tl;dr for me.

Look just a couple of posts above you mate. It right there just try a little bit, literacy is nearly within your grasp.

Never ~~

It's GD, I heard suggestions to ban all goons in the past, perhaps we should return to that.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Xython
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2012-06-22 23:32:33 UTC
Lex Arson wrote:
So wait, is CCP taking away all the isk Goons made off this stuff? That 90-page thread is a bit tl;dr for me.


There's conflicting information, but as far as I understand it, currently CCP has not only seized the result of the Jewball but also started siezing other assets that were unrelated. Which means not only did they violate the sandbox in order to stop something that was done legitimately through in game mechanics (a big no no), but also directly punished the Goon Economics team that, through the goodness of their own hearts, showed CCP exactly why this was such a poorly designed change and why it had to be rolled back immediately.

Consider the alternative: Months and years of people doing this on a small scale, causing untold amounts of damage to the EVE economy in the process.
Jimmy Gunsmythe
Sebiestor Tribe
#34 - 2012-06-22 23:34:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Jimmy Gunsmythe
masternerdguy wrote:
By interfering with the latest Goon project of using FW to farm LP, CCP has proven that they hate the sandbox.


Spoken like a true circle jerk.

CCP did what they have done before when someone abuses a mechanic that is essentially an exploit. Not that I'd get any of the Kool-Aid drinkers to understand THAT concept...

John Hancock

Space Mitt Romney
Nocturnal Syndicate
#35 - 2012-06-22 23:35:58 UTC
Gotta love when the goons screw something up, they tear up the most. Keep em coming..
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#36 - 2012-06-22 23:36:21 UTC
Xython wrote:
Consider the alternative: Months and years of people doing this on a small scale, causing untold amounts of damage to the EVE economy in the process.

Well it wouldn't have been in their face with a big thread on GD basically telling the whole world where CCP messed up ...

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Jimmy Gunsmythe
Sebiestor Tribe
#37 - 2012-06-22 23:39:26 UTC
Graic Gabtar wrote:
masternerdguy wrote:
By interfering with the latest Goon project of using FW to farm LP, CCP has proven that they hate the sandbox.
Has there been a specific statement on CCP actions or just second hand info?

I know early on in that other threadnaught that CCP Screegs (sp) foolishly preempted the outcome of an "investigation" but has there been anything else?


This is the only thing I found on it thus far. Far from rumor, I'd have to wager.

Here

John Hancock

Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#38 - 2012-06-22 23:41:56 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Tyrozan
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
Tarsus Zateki wrote:
Given he is pubbie filth I don't see why would want him in our flock... its not even a flock. More of a herd really. A herd of kittens. Have you ever tried getting a herd of kittens to do anything?


Hey OP, it must suck when the people you're trying to impress don't like you, huh?


^^That^^

ATT'N: All goon -----Edit-------your idols have spoken.

Really, OP, where is your pride and self-respect?

Post edited.
No trolling, please.


ISD Tyrozan
Ensign
Community Communications Liaisons
Interstellar Services Department

Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.

Xython
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2012-06-22 23:43:34 UTC
Graic Gabtar wrote:
masternerdguy wrote:
By interfering with the latest Goon project of using FW to farm LP, CCP has proven that they hate the sandbox.
Has there been a specific statement on CCP actions or just second hand info?

I know early on in that other threadnaught that CCP Screegs (sp) foolishly preempted the outcome of an "investigation" but has there been anything else?


We're not going to see one for a good while. The Goon Economics Team have put CCP in a really awkward position: Simply put, the Goons involved didn't do anything wrong. In fact, by contacting CCP with all the data, they did, technically speaking, the right thing.

It bears repeating, as the buttmad sockpuppets from NPC corps are hooting like overly constipated chimps: This was no exploit, it was simply poorly thought out game mechanics that the Goons involved used to their advantage. In addition, none of this was "created from thin air" (which is the traditional yardstick for exploitation) -- all the involved resources were converted directly using a specific game mechanic and involved player vs player monetary exchanges.

So while CCP no doubt want to roll back the economy, nuke the wallets from orbit, etc... that really doesn't fit with the old CCP's corporate philosophy.

Now, NewCCP, the CCP that seems to be ran by the Marketing department... well, that's a different story. We don't know how they're going to react. It should be interesting to find out, however.

I'm also kinda wondering what Mittani's reaction to all this is. He hasn't spoken up on it.
Dr Frust
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2012-06-22 23:53:30 UTC
Meh, fact is content wasn't tested enough. First the inventory, then the wardec system when goons called foul and now this is an exploit.

Don't blame the gamers for finding holes in the system. Why is this expansion called inferno(+escalation) if everything that could shift the balance gets axed or the nerfhammer? Wasn't it supposed to wreck havoc?