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DEC SHIELD - Now Closed

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Manostranoia
Dragoon inc
#301 - 2012-05-11 01:05:08 UTC
*sniff* something stinks about tht becasue is guy is a HUGE CAREBEAR and should be remined tht this game is a PVP game on its core programing. So i know tht this might seem intreseting but u will still get War deced regardless of wht corp or allaince u get too, so to all Cearbear this is a very big thing and everything tht yall see as explots... WE ARE JUST USEING THE GAME MACHANICS TO OUR ADVANTAGE!!! SO NO MORE EMO RAGEING....
Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#302 - 2012-05-11 01:10:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Cannibal Kane
Manostranoia wrote:
*sniff* something stinks about tht becasue is guy is a HUGE CAREBEAR and should be remined tht this game is a PVP game on its core programing. So i know tht this might seem intreseting but u will still get War deced regardless of wht corp or allaince u get too, so to all Cearbear this is a very big thing and everything tht yall see as explots... WE ARE JUST USEING THE GAME MACHANICS TO OUR ADVANTAGE!!! SO NO MORE EMO RAGEING....


So are they... Your point? Just let it be. If they join DEC shield so what. Move along.

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk
The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal
#303 - 2012-05-11 07:37:53 UTC
Manostranoia wrote:
*sniff* something stinks about tht becasue is guy is a HUGE CAREBEAR and should be remined tht this game is a PVP game on its core programing. So i know tht this might seem intreseting but u will still get War deced regardless of wht corp or allaince u get too, so to all Cearbear this is a very big thing and everything tht yall see as explots... WE ARE JUST USEING THE GAME MACHANICS TO OUR ADVANTAGE!!! SO NO MORE EMO RAGEING....

I would also like to quote this post for posterity.

I don't know what I'll do with Dec Shield once the end is nigh. We'll probably turn it over to the people, or sell it, or close it. Unless we can find some new method of abuse. We'll keep our options open for now.

Burn Highsec Griefers
Grumpymunky
Monkey Steals The Peach
#304 - 2012-05-25 00:05:37 UTC
The Zerg Overmind wrote:
I don't know what I'll do with Dec Shield once the end is nigh. We'll probably turn it over to the people, or sell it, or close it. Unless we can find some new method of abuse. We'll keep our options open for now.
So, you like this Inferno thing?

Post with your monkey.

Thread locked due to lack of pants.
The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal
#305 - 2012-05-25 22:50:09 UTC
Right now we've closed the doors of Dec Shield since we cannot help anyone anymore. It is good. We will continue to lurk and evaluate further ways to abuse the system. So far we commend the Inferno changes, except for the inventory system - which should be undone at once.

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Psychotic Monk
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#306 - 2012-05-25 23:48:51 UTC
Thanks for all your work pointing out the flaw in dec scraping in a really vivid manner. It's too bad it took so long for something to get done about it. We lost many good shitheels in that long dark slump.

Also, thank you for giving me a big list of things to dec on the premise that they avoided justice in the past!

Belligerent Undesirables Selling Griefer Immunity
Hacklespur Harrowhound
The Abdication Corporation
#307 - 2012-05-27 12:51:53 UTC
Quote:

  • We had 458 corporations in alliance (probably a server high)


    • http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Shadow_of_xXDEATHXx/corporations

    Someone doesn't keep up with nullsec alliances.
    Reppyk
    The Black Shell
    #308 - 2012-05-27 14:10:08 UTC
    Psychotic Monk wrote:
    Also, thank you for giving me a big list of things to dec on the premise that they avoided justice in the past!
    Move every zigs ! Pirate

    I AM SPACE CAPTAIN REPPYK. BEWARE.

    Proud co-admin of frugu.net, a French fansite about EVE !
    Azura Solus
    Rules of Acquisition
    #309 - 2012-05-27 19:33:33 UTC
    Good Riddance! Eve will be a better place without you
    Ramon Sohei
    The Florez Law Firm
    #310 - 2012-05-29 03:45:28 UTC
    Here's an idea... Make a DEC SHIELD alliance for every faction. Then have them fight each other. Oh wait, thats Faction Warfare. Nevermind.
    DarthNefarius
    Minmatar Heavy Industries
    #311 - 2012-06-13 18:35:41 UTC
    DEC SHIELD come back the new anti ally rules at http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=72889 where the same sort ofthings that brought you into existance last time Big smile
    An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
    ostar ostar
    Perkone
    Caldari State
    #312 - 2012-06-13 19:42:28 UTC  |  Edited by: ostar ostar
    Random idea for continuing the good spirit of this alliance:

    Why don't you have simply masses of people/corps in the alliance and offer a free assistance service?

    If you get enough people on board, not only would the cost to dec you directly become astronomical, there would be few wars you couldn't win.

    From this thread i can see quite a few people joined Dec Shield simply to give grief to the griefers, and it would still technically be a shield, just not an impenetrable one like before. The so-called pvp'ers get all the targets they could wish for, anti-grief corps finally become some measure of effective (i.e. not a joke) and indy corps get some protection. Pretty much everyone wins (read: dies-in-a-fire)

    EDIT: you would have to implement it quickly though. Reputation erodes fast, and getting the ball rolling again will get harder as time goes on. Pretty please?
    The Zerg Overmind
    Rule Reversal
    #313 - 2012-06-15 07:43:17 UTC
    ostar ostar wrote:
    Random idea for continuing the good spirit of this alliance:

    Why don't you have simply masses of people/corps in the alliance and offer a free assistance service?

    If you get enough people on board, not only would the cost to dec you directly become astronomical, there would be few wars you couldn't win.

    From this thread i can see quite a few people joined Dec Shield simply to give grief to the griefers, and it would still technically be a shield, just not an impenetrable one like before. The so-called pvp'ers get all the targets they could wish for, anti-grief corps finally become some measure of effective (i.e. not a joke) and indy corps get some protection. Pretty much everyone wins (read: dies-in-a-fire)

    EDIT: you would have to implement it quickly though. Reputation erodes fast, and getting the ball rolling again will get harder as time goes on. Pretty please?

    We considered this idea, but examined what we could maintain in terms of random people in the alliance. We could maintain 600+, but that only places incoming wars at 130mil or so last I checked. Even if we gained upward of 7000 people the wardec cost would cap out at 500mil per week. While that offers decent protection against random incoming wardecs, there's little incentive for most people to join the alliance. Corporations that are griefed in the field would only join to prevent a second week of wardecs against them. But as we've seen before, griefers just wardec their own corp, and have that corp join Dec Shield. And then they're at war with the alliance for the duration of the week - and with access to far greater targets than they had first decced into.

    In the end the only protection it would offer would be for highsec tower owners, who have very little undocked activity. I might be convinced to turn over ownership of the alliance to someone who could wield it for the public good though. We're still entertaining various theories and loopholes for wardec mechanics to see if there are things to abuse. But everyone is doing a pretty decent job of pointing them out, and CCP is doing a decent job filling in the holes.

    Burn Highsec Griefers
    VegasMirage
    Blank-Space
    Northern Coalition.
    #314 - 2012-06-19 08:28:26 UTC  |  Edited by: VegasMirage
    Dec Shield Update: Post inferno

    My alt corp responsible for many of Dec Shield's kills inherited all of their wars all on a mutual basis.

    What's funny is that none of the WT's can get out of the war with us because it's mutual and according to the new mechanics we have to agree. Nearly all War Targets are asking for me to drop the decs and I've said no to them all.

    I think most of them had no idea this would be the way the new mechanic would pan out for them.

    Imagine, 56 free wars with mercs and griefers that can ask for no assistance running forever. This was best thing CCP has ever done imo [even better than the Noctis].

    So, basically we have a sleeper corp with some obnoxious number of free wars and the opportunity to corp jump for some shiny kills when we need the isk, lols or tears.

    Also, most of them are at war with others, which presents us with surprise pwet sex brought to you by none other than CCP.

    no more games... it's real this time!!!
    chris elliot
    Lazerhawks
    L A Z E R H A W K S
    #315 - 2012-06-19 08:46:46 UTC
    VegasMirage wrote:
    Dec Shield Update: Post inferno

    My alt corp responsible for many of Dec Shield's kills inherited all of their wars all on a mutual basis.

    What's funny is that none of the WT's can get out of the war with us because it's mutual and according to the new mechanics we have to agree. Nearly all War Targets are asking for me to drop the decs and I've said no to them all.

    I think most of them had no idea this would be the way the new mechanic would pan out for them.

    Imagine, 56 free wars with mercs and griefers that can ask for no assistance running forever. This was best thing CCP has ever done imo [even better than the Noctis].

    So, basically we have a sleeper corp with some obnoxious number of free wars and the opportunity to corp jump for some shiny kills when we need the isk, lols or tears.

    Also, most of them are at war with others, which presents us with surprise pwet sex brought to you by none other than CCP.




    f*cking brilliant
    Jint Hikaru
    OffWorld Exploration Inc
    #316 - 2012-06-19 11:52:23 UTC
    VegasMirage wrote:
    Dec Shield Update: Post inferno

    My alt corp responsible for many of Dec Shield's kills inherited all of their wars all on a mutual basis.

    What's funny is that none of the WT's can get out of the war with us because it's mutual and according to the new mechanics we have to agree. Nearly all War Targets are asking for me to drop the decs and I've said no to them all.

    I think most of them had no idea this would be the way the new mechanic would pan out for them.

    Imagine, 56 free wars with mercs and griefers that can ask for no assistance running forever. This was best thing CCP has ever done imo [even better than the Noctis].

    So, basically we have a sleeper corp with some obnoxious number of free wars and the opportunity to corp jump for some shiny kills when we need the isk, lols or tears.

    Also, most of them are at war with others, which presents us with surprise pwet sex brought to you by none other than CCP.


    I like where this is going and eagerly await the outcome....

    Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.
    The Zerg Overmind
    Rule Reversal
    #317 - 2012-06-19 18:03:19 UTC
    VegasMirage wrote:
    Dec Shield Update: Post inferno

    My alt corp responsible for many of Dec Shield's kills inherited all of their wars all on a mutual basis.

    What's funny is that none of the WT's can get out of the war with us because it's mutual and according to the new mechanics we have to agree. Nearly all War Targets are asking for me to drop the decs and I've said no to them all.

    I think most of them had no idea this would be the way the new mechanic would pan out for them.

    Imagine, 56 free wars with mercs and griefers that can ask for no assistance running forever. This was best thing CCP has ever done imo [even better than the Noctis].

    So, basically we have a sleeper corp with some obnoxious number of free wars and the opportunity to corp jump for some shiny kills when we need the isk, lols or tears.

    Also, most of them are at war with others, which presents us with surprise pwet sex brought to you by none other than CCP.

    I've had a large number of our people offer money to drop the wars too, which I found odd. This would drastically screw up corp hopping and ruins a lot of gameplay for them. I just assumed they could get out of the wars... I guess not though

    Burn Highsec Griefers
    VegasMirage
    Blank-Space
    Northern Coalition.
    #318 - 2012-06-22 22:35:33 UTC

    Since posting last time on this thread, I've receieved increased cash offers for surrenders. Not interested in them.

    Are there any other pre-inferno Dec Shielders that have the same mutual war list? Or are we the only ones? If so contact me please.

    no more games... it's real this time!!!
    The Zerg Overmind
    Rule Reversal
    #319 - 2012-06-24 07:33:15 UTC
    VegasMirage wrote:

    Since posting last time on this thread, I've receieved increased cash offers for surrenders. Not interested in them.

    Are there any other pre-inferno Dec Shielders that have the same mutual war list? Or are we the only ones? If so contact me please.


    Well you could always accept the surrenders for isk, and then rejoin Dec Shield, reabsorb all our wars again, and then go through a whole new round of surrenders against the same people

    Burn Highsec Griefers
    The Zerg Overmind
    Rule Reversal
    #320 - 2012-06-26 02:01:58 UTC
    Haha, so I just logged in after being offline for weeks, and discovered a whole new batch of corp applications looking to shed wardecs, but obviously not knowing about the changes in mechanics. I didn't bother to read any of their application texts until after I accepted them. Corps of carebears applied to join to get rid of a war they had from a can flipper.

    By this time tomorrow they're going to be in 40 wars, hahaha. Helping the community, one corp at a time ^^

    Burn Highsec Griefers