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Goons 4x4ing through the Sandbox - Market Manipulation on a Grand Scale

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Ghost Xray
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#1721 - 2012-06-22 21:59:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Ghost Xray
Billy Buysalot wrote:
asd3452 wrote:
PCGamer is currently writing an article about this massive about-face by CCP on Eve as a Sandbox. It should be interesting.


It will be very hard for CCP to justify their current actions in relation to Burn Jita. I wonder how CCP will try and back down from this.


I could help them there:

Burn Jita was "f*cking brilliant"

Where this is "f*cking lame"
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#1722 - 2012-06-22 22:00:23 UTC
Talon SilverHawk wrote:
**** me do you not sleep, what time zone are you in, are you some auto answering bot , are you a collective ....... Shocked

I'm your posting god. Kneel before Zim.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
asd3452
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#1723 - 2012-06-22 22:00:33 UTC
Billy Buysalot wrote:
asd3452 wrote:
PCGamer is currently writing an article about this massive about-face by CCP on Eve as a Sandbox. It should be interesting.


It will be very hard for CCP to justify their current actions in relation to Burn Jita. I wonder how CCP will try and back down from this.


My guess is they will make a vague but self-congratulatory dev-blog, then quietly return assets after some time passes, while not commenting on it publicly.

CCP is in a really bad position given how loudly and proudly they trumpet 'Sandbox' to all the gaming media. My feeling is that Sony is putting pressure on CCP to no longer run EVE as a Sandbox, and instead make it much more like all the other MMOs out there, with little real player-driven economy.
Implying Implications
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1724 - 2012-06-22 22:00:44 UTC
:ccp:

hello
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
#1725 - 2012-06-22 22:00:46 UTC
Ghost Xray wrote:
Billy Buysalot wrote:
asd3452 wrote:
PCGamer is currently writing an article about this massive about-face by CCP on Eve as a Sandbox. It should be interesting.


It will be very hard for CCP to justify their current actions in relation to Burn Jita. I wonder how CCP will try and back down from this.


I could help them there:

Burn Jita was "f*cking brilliant"

Where this is "f*cking lame"


Try mine next since its literally the same thing, ie a game mechanic becoming an isk printing machine.

This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.

fofofo
Better Than You
Doomheim
#1726 - 2012-06-22 22:01:26 UTC
Isn't karma a *****? Lol
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
#1727 - 2012-06-22 22:01:57 UTC
asd3452 wrote:
Billy Buysalot wrote:
asd3452 wrote:
PCGamer is currently writing an article about this massive about-face by CCP on Eve as a Sandbox. It should be interesting.


It will be very hard for CCP to justify their current actions in relation to Burn Jita. I wonder how CCP will try and back down from this.


My guess is they will make a vague but self-congratulatory dev-blog, then quietly return assets after some time passes, while not commenting on it publicly.

CCP is in a really bad position given how loudly and proudly they trumpet 'Sandbox' to all the gaming media. My feeling is that Sony is putting pressure on CCP to no longer run EVE as a Sandbox, and instead make it much more like all the other MMOs out there, with little real player-driven economy.


Wow its almost like I said this pages ago. First step in the death of eve, "carebears mining veldspar forever and nothing else" and all that.

This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.

fofofo
Wibla
Tactical Narcotics Team
#1728 - 2012-06-22 22:03:23 UTC
Better Than You wrote:
Isn't karma a *****? Lol


What do you think they will do the next time they find something as gamebreaking as this was after the treatment they are getting now? Notify CCP, or just run the market into a deep enough ditch that it cant' be fixed?

Think about it.

Karma can be a *****, indeed.
Paint
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1729 - 2012-06-22 22:06:42 UTC
I am really confused as to why tech 2 bpo still exist let alone the money made from them over the years if "abusing" something to generate massive resources is an exploit.

I mean the t2 bpo thing dwarfs this by what a factor of at least 10 if not 100 or more.
Ghost Xray
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#1730 - 2012-06-22 22:06:58 UTC
Aryth wrote:
asd3452 wrote:
CCP is taking unrelated assets from people who used a game mechanic. A mechanic CCP was told about, publicly, before it ever left the test server. CCP was told that this could happen if the patch went in unchanged. The patch went live unchanged.


This cannot be stressed enough. These mechanics came in with the design having clearly been pointed out as bad to CCP. They brought in the mechanic anyway, we zergrushed that mechanic.

to Summerize.

CCP knew the design was flawed ahead of time
CCP Deployed it to the live server anyway
ZERGRUSH 5%
CCP Sees something. Nerf's Cargodrops.
CCP runs their price updater and enables the manipulated items to take effect.
ZERGRUSH with market price manipulated item 95%
CCP detects nothing
Goons: Hey CCP. Here is the entire write up. Oh good, you got the fix in fast. Hey, here are some more you missed.
..
..
"oh, and yeah, I pilfered 5trillion isk worth of junk and screwed up faction wars for a few weeks, I hope that's cool."
..
Goons: Wow, Really Bro? Even crap not related to FW you take?



Fixed
Aryth
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1731 - 2012-06-22 22:07:14 UTC
corestwo wrote:
asd3452 wrote:
Billy Buysalot wrote:
asd3452 wrote:
PCGamer is currently writing an article about this massive about-face by CCP on Eve as a Sandbox. It should be interesting.


It will be very hard for CCP to justify their current actions in relation to Burn Jita. I wonder how CCP will try and back down from this.


My guess is they will make a vague but self-congratulatory dev-blog, then quietly return assets after some time passes, while not commenting on it publicly.

CCP is in a really bad position given how loudly and proudly they trumpet 'Sandbox' to all the gaming media. My feeling is that Sony is putting pressure on CCP to no longer run EVE as a Sandbox, and instead make it much more like all the other MMOs out there, with little real player-driven economy.


Wow its almost like I said this pages ago. First step in the death of eve, "carebears mining veldspar forever and nothing else" and all that.


Just sayin I called this back when mittens got banned. Holla

Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal.

Creator of Burn Jita

Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve.
Preceptor Stigmartyr
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1732 - 2012-06-22 22:07:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Preceptor Stigmartyr
Jayrendo Karr wrote:
Just because you told a bank owner how you robbed their bank doesn't mean you can keep the money you stole. If the goons had anysense they'd of kept their mouths shut for massive profit, waving that e-peen around brings nothing but trouble.


You fundamentally fail to understand why Goons play Eve. It's all about the ePeen

**4/19 **NEVER FORGET ಠ_ಠ
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1733 - 2012-06-22 22:07:26 UTC
Aryth wrote:
asd3452 wrote:
CCP is taking unrelated assets from people who used a game mechanic. A mechanic CCP was told about, publicly, before it ever left the test server. CCP was told that this could happen if the patch went in unchanged. The patch went live unchanged.


This cannot be stressed enough. These mechanics came in with the design having clearly been pointed out as bad to CCP. They brought in the mechanic anyway, we zergrushed that mechanic.

to Summerize.

CCP knew the design was flawed ahead of time
CCP Deployed it to the live server anyway
ZERGRUSH 5%
CCP Sees something. Nerf's Cargodrops.
CCP runs their price updater and enables the manipulated items to take effect.
ZERGRUSH with market price manipulated item 95%
CCP detects nothing
Goons: Hey CCP. Here is the entire write up. Oh good, you got the fix in fast. Hey, here are some more you missed.
..
..
..
Goons: Wow, Really Bro? Even crap not related to FW you take?


Were it not for this thread and the extent to which it was done, this might be a totally different situation right now.
Aryth
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1734 - 2012-06-22 22:07:46 UTC
Ghost Xray wrote:
Aryth wrote:
asd3452 wrote:
CCP is taking unrelated assets from people who used a game mechanic. A mechanic CCP was told about, publicly, before it ever left the test server. CCP was told that this could happen if the patch went in unchanged. The patch went live unchanged.


This cannot be stressed enough. These mechanics came in with the design having clearly been pointed out as bad to CCP. They brought in the mechanic anyway, we zergrushed that mechanic.

to Summerize.

CCP knew the design was flawed ahead of time
CCP Deployed it to the live server anyway
ZERGRUSH 5%
CCP Sees something. Nerf's Cargodrops.
CCP runs their price updater and enables the manipulated items to take effect.
ZERGRUSH with market price manipulated item 95%
CCP detects nothing
Goons: Hey CCP. Here is the entire write up. Oh good, you got the fix in fast. Hey, here are some more you missed.
..
..
"oh, and yeah, I pilfered 5trillion isk worth of junk and screwed up faction wars for a few weeks, I hope that's cool."
..
Goons: Wow, Really Bro? Even crap not related to FW you take?



Fixed


You win. I like yours even better

Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal.

Creator of Burn Jita

Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve.
Tokclik
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1735 - 2012-06-22 22:09:09 UTC
The precedence this sets is awesome. There is only one outcome that can come from this. The next time the Jewcabal finds a loophole they will run it on a scale many orders of magnitude greater than this little escapade, definitely not tell CCP about it, and come as close to destroying the Eve economy for a very long time.
Better Than You
Doomheim
#1736 - 2012-06-22 22:10:45 UTC
By goons mentality, we all should be dropping to our knees and thanking Osama Bin Laden for tighter security at the airports.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#1737 - 2012-06-22 22:11:29 UTC
Tokclik wrote:
The precedence this sets is awesome. There is only one outcome that can come from this. The next time the Jewcabal finds a loophole they will run it on a scale many orders of magnitude greater than this little escapade, definitely not tell CCP about it, and come as close to destroying the Eve economy for a very long time.



And presumably use NPC alts.

Or Eve University alts....

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Enaris Kerle
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1738 - 2012-06-22 22:12:04 UTC
Better Than You wrote:
By goons mentality, we all should be dropping to our knees and thanking Osama Bin Laden for tighter security at the airports.

I think it's very fitting that you bring out that analogy, because all of that **** that goes on at airports these days is security theater, just like what happens here.

Gallente born and raised, and tutored as a pleasure slave and courtesan to the exotic tastes of the Amarri court. Jade's career veered violently off course when a diplomatic envoy's transport was blown to pieces in mysterious circumstances and she was rescued from the escape pods by the enigmatic genetic mastermind Athule Snanm.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#1739 - 2012-06-22 22:13:30 UTC
Better Than You wrote:
By goons mentality, we all should be dropping to our knees and thanking Osama Bin Laden for tighter security at the airports.

What an unpatriotic thing to say. You must be a terrorist.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#1740 - 2012-06-22 22:13:50 UTC
Better Than You wrote:
By goons mentality, we all should be dropping to our knees and thanking Osama Bin Laden for tighter security at the airports.


No one from Goldman Sachs went to prison.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016