EVE General Discussion

Did I mention insurance fraud? Or Pax Amarria? I do not believe that I did. All I said was that anyone caught knowingly abusing a flaw in the system can, and will, have that profit removed. Whether that is by putting wallets in the negative, or by removing items, such as in this case.

It is relatively pointless to try to argue with cipher jones: as you have seen he's not really capable of responding with a reasoned argument or even understanding one. He will simply repeat until hopefully those long words go away.

By way of explanation we addressed the manipulation issue but haven't yet completed the investigation into the scope of the abuse. Once that happens I'm pretty sure some people are going to be a bit less smug about the money they made that one time when there was a bank error in their favor and then lost again when the bank fixed the glitch.

Further more,

players have every right to exploit game mechanics that are merely ill-conceived. That is what games are about. This latest situation did not give one player advantage over another in combat nor even exclusive economic advantage assuming a certain minimum corp size. However, as the GOONs have continually tried to point out -- the effect of such mistakes are often cumulative such that eventually only restarting the game makes any sense. The BEST and most satisfying way to do this is to allow some group to achieve game-wide victory and declare an official winner.

*********** Despite some occasional near catastrophic errors EVE is a game with great potential loyalty. The best and only FAIR way to grow EVE is to start a new shard every 3-5 years while allowing the old shards to wind down naturally to a winner. If CCP wants to grow EVE, they should NOT to make new users deal with a long cumulative economic heritage of CCP and player mistakes. *******************

The distribution of technium moons is a specific example of bad game balance decisions which CCP cannot correct in the existing game without being unfair to someone in a major way. Nor should CCP try and take back ISK the GOONs made off this latest game design faux paus. New shards are a way of starting clean.

New shards (single universes) can basically use common evolving code for ship fighting and station game mechanics. After separating out code dealing with the location of resources and any shard specific politics and victory conditions, there would be very little difference in coding necessary.

But CCP would have a lot of room for changes in "chessbooard"/"sandbox" setup. Maybe its not so easy to fly from one empire faction space to another - fewer routes. Maybe even Empire space is mostly a series of large high sec islands. Maybe there are some small null sec pockets within some Empire regions. Maybe mineral distribution is not so uniform thus making lo sec convoys between high sec islands vital. But in any case new shards would be clear of old cumulative effects and old shards would allow true winners to emerge.

(Heh - I can see special ships that might allow boring one way courses between shard universes {EVE Gate test pilot} -- thus allowing characters and their skills to cross but no wealth except a very limited types of small cargoes. All assuming CCP continuous their extend time skill tree rather than shortening paths in it somewhat.)

CCP is currently in the process of yanking tons of stuff from our accounts. Far beyond what was profited from. The sandbox indeed is not quite as sandboxy as we thought.

It already has been, and that caused the insurance nerf.

New to EVE are we?

CCP has now gone and nuked a ton of assets on our accounts. Meaning, we are losing wealth we had previous to this. Wow. But the message is clear. If you want to abuse something, you do not report it. As someone who tried to work with CCP, my advice to anyone in the future is. Don't.

You do know you can file a bug report without inflating your wallet right?

If the wallet gets inflated in the process, it's logical to expect CCP will fix the whole problem.

The WHOLE problem, not the whole problem minus your finders fee.

No, but you are not too bright are you?

It is actually the nerf that introduced the market manipulation!
Before it was just to high a payout set by CCP, now it is based on market statistics that van be manipulated.
The higher the market prices the more payout!

Go ti?

Please justify CCP taking assets that were not earned through this.