EVE General Discussion

But they have not actually GOTTEN any isk yet. Only items that will be sold for ~5 trillion over the next few months.

Insurance fraud? Pax Amarria refinery? Tracking titans? Neutral logis? Neutral freighter alts?

It is relatively pointless to try to argue with cipher jones: as you have seen he's not really capable of responding with a reasoned argument or even understanding one. He will simply repeat until hopefully those long words go away.

You apparently didn't catch the 500b which were sunk to acquire the goods. That isk is no longer in the EVE economy.

And you apparently think this is different from insurance fraud, pax amarria refinery, etc etc etc. Oh, I know why, "goons" weren't the ones using those mechanics.

CCP is currently in the process of yanking tons of stuff from our accounts. Far beyond what was profited from. The sandbox indeed is not quite as sandboxy as we thought.

Care to enumerate the damages, Mr. Carreon?

welp

This is to much fun to stop. I actually should have gone to bed a couple hours ago, but I just can't stop laughing

Further more,

players have every right to exploit game mechanics that are merely ill-conceived. That is what games are about. This latest situation did not give one player advantage over another in combat nor even exclusive economic advantage assuming a certain minimum corp size. However, as the GOONs have continually tried to point out -- the effect of such mistakes are often cumulative such that eventually only restarting the game makes any sense. The BEST and most satisfying way to do this is to allow some group to achieve game-wide victory and declare an official winner.

*********** Despite some occasional near catastrophic errors EVE is a game with great potential loyalty. The best and only FAIR way to grow EVE is to start a new shard every 3-5 years while allowing the old shards to wind down naturally to a winner. If CCP wants to grow EVE, they should NOT to make new users deal with a long cumulative economic heritage of CCP and player mistakes. *******************

The distribution of technium moons is a specific example of bad game balance decisions which CCP cannot correct in the existing game without being unfair to someone in a major way. Nor should CCP try and take back ISK the GOONs made off this latest game design faux paus. New shards are a way of starting clean.

New shards (single universes) can basically use common evolving code for ship fighting and station game mechanics. After separating out code dealing with the location of resources and any shard specific politics and victory conditions, there would be very little difference in coding necessary.

But CCP would have a lot of room for changes in "chessbooard"/"sandbox" setup. Maybe its not so easy to fly from one empire faction space to another - fewer routes. Maybe even Empire space is mostly a series of large high sec islands. Maybe there are some small null sec pockets within some Empire regions. Maybe mineral distribution is not so uniform thus making lo sec convoys between high sec islands vital. But in any case new shards would be clear of old cumulative effects and old shards would allow true winners to emerge. Plus any remaining issues with load balancing would tend to solve themselves as new shards tended to lack major capital fleets and old shards going to victory lack almost another else.



If CCP implemented new shards, I doubt many old players would quit EVE in disgust (always a few). However, I suspect a considerable number of players would start NEW accounts in a new shard where major power groups were not so well entrenched in economics or sovereign territory. Closing of old accounts on older shards would actually represent dissatisfied players seeing at least part of their issues solved by conditions of a newer shard.

Plus on new shards EVE would not lose so many brand new players due to seeing themselves as hopeless behind or being targeted by bored veterans. I suspect a typical shard would live 5-8 years meaning long time loyalty is still required to see victory...and yet victory is close enough that many will stay who otherwise would have quit in disgust.

(Heh - I can see special ships that might allow boring one way courses between shard universes {EVE Gate test pilot} -- thus allowing characters and their skills to cross but no wealth except a very limited types of small cargoes. All assuming CCP continuous their extend time skill tree rather than shortening paths in it somewhat.)

Provide proof.

Those instances are proof that very similar situations in the past were dealt with by changing the mechanic in question, with no repercussions to the people using them to profit. Precedent is set with them. Where is your proof that those cases are wrong?