EVE General Discussion

Are there bugs that are not usage of game mechanics?

I doubt it was a knee jerk reaction. It was a follow up to a public company statement about a security investigation, probably had several CCP staff review it, stamp it. Dignitaries of dignitaries and that sort of thing. It's all rather complicated.

They do that type of thing all the time for legit gameplay.

It was working as designed. Not working as designed would be a bug, this wasn't a bug.

Oh, you know how CCP works now?

The tracking bug in wormholes. That was a bug, not a mechanic. You should learn the difference before you open your mouth about the issue.

You're absolutely right, other Minmatar certainly cashed out quite nicely during this spike, I however missed the boat. Last Saturday was the first time I'd sat down to grind LP, and ironically missed the big window Also, the Amarr have outright said they are plexing using Minmatar alts, so my enemies cashed out during this spike as well.

As for my opposition's complaints, they were never ignored. The two biggest warnings I gave CCP prior to Inferno release were to not go with full station lockout, and to not have extreme LP scaling. These are also the two biggest concerns that my enemy's had, and continue to have. At the recent summit, I once again asked for station docking to be moved to a system upgrade, not a permanent feature. With the Goon exploit coming to light, now the developers can see what I warned them about - that maybe this extreme LP scaling might have unforseen consequences.

What I've ignored since inferno's release, is the idea that Faction Warfare is somehow "destroyed" and that the Amarr situation is "hopeless". Everyone who argued against dockblocking (including myself) said it would kill the activity level throughout the warzone. The opposite has occured. I have a responsibility to argue for changes based on the *consequences* observed on Tranquility, and not to stick to rhetoric that crumbles under current events suggesting otherwise. Many Amarr claimed station lockout would make seizing systems impossible, that also turned out not to be true.

It is only the doomsday predictions that have been thoroughly debunked since Inferno's release that I have ignored, I continue to pass on legitimate feedback to CCP on a regular basis. I am relieved that the market manipulation has ended not because my enemies have *nothing* legitimate to complain about, I am relieved that there is now a much more accurate picture of the war being documented so that everyone, friend and foe alike, can see whether or not things are as "hopeless" as some Amarr claim.

If the mechanics are balanced enough to allow for a comeback despite the lack of Goon warzone control backing, we're in good shape. If the war continues to stagnate and remains one-sided, than my warnings to CCP about imbalance will be vindicated and maybe they'll listen to me in the future on these issues instead of saying "EVE isn't fair" and releasing the system as they saw fit.

OK, not a bug. If we define a bug as a technical glitch, rather than an exploitable feature of the rules/game design. I believe CCP has considered some non-'bug' things as exploits before, no? In any event, the intent and purpose of the TOS provision is apparent from its language. Exploit... to gain an unfair advantage over other players.
And then, in a separate issue, You may not communicate the existence of any exploitable bug to others directly or through a public forum.
In any event, it's a manipulation of the game system to achieve an unintended result, of a pretty massive scale. Looks, walks and smells like an exploit to me.

Unfortunately the focus isn't on working as designed, it's working as intended. Intended being the same word the EULA uses.

Item's CCP calculated value rises due to market forces: Working as intended
LP is offered for faction warfare kills: Working as intended
LP is redeemed for items: Working as intended

ehlp

Its not an exploit til CCP declares it so, and you can't be punished for it if its not an exploit. After they declare it so(I would consider Sreegs' post a declaration that it is so) any further use of said exploit because punishable.

goons go in, LP comes out. its easy

obviously not an exploit

Funny, I read sreegs' post as "We're investigating and deciding whether we will let this stand or not, and in the meantime don't do it anymore."