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Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#81 - 2012-06-22 06:10:50 UTC
InternetSpaceship wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
CCP can easily check the griefers account history and killmail record to ascertain a pattern. This sounds exactly like one of those loopholes that CCP was referring to about player bullies taking advantage and bending the rules.

CCP said do not mess with Rookies. CCP didn't say just rookies in NPC corp, CCP said DO NOT MESS WITH ROOKIES.

If that isn't clear enough, wake up and drink some coffee. If clarification is needed, Rookie chat is active for 30 days.

Personally I hope the guy get's his ISP # perma-banned. This whole 'killing new players to teach them a lesson' is nothing more than a fail attempt to justify their actions.


So how do I know if he still has rookie chat?

That isn't a clarification at all. A clarification would make it clear to any player who is and isn't a rookie. I don't care about any baseless "noob-hunter" speculation you might have, if we have a hard rule not to **** with rookies, then we need to be told what a rookie is. That is only reasonable.

SKYIINET Caliborus wrote:
RAP ACTION HERO wrote:
your whole corp should be disbanded


Are you trying to tell me and my corporation members how to play a game?


You aren't playing the game, though, you're whining for CCP to ban the accounts of other players who are. Those players are using game rules and mechanics to play it. You don't like how they are playing it, but instead of doing the same and driving them away from your corp, you just dock up and cry to CCP about how hard Eve is and how you need them to come in and play it for you.

This ^^

I have a 5 year old toon who still has rookie chat and no more SP than he started with. Is he immune to ganks?

What if I roll up a 10 hour hero? Is it illegal to shoot back at him when he ganks a hulk?

Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom.
Halete
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#82 - 2012-06-22 06:23:19 UTC
Thought that limitation was just to Rookie systems.

Else anyone going on NBSI engagement policies is probably at some point going to kill a rookie.

"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21
InternetSpaceship
State War Academy
Caldari State
#83 - 2012-06-22 06:26:59 UTC
Halete wrote:
Thought that limitation was just to Rookie systems.

Else anyone going on NBSI engagement policies is probably at some point going to kill a rookie.


It is, I mentioned that earlier, but it was ignored, because this is Eve-O.

Also, we don't even have a clear definition of rookie systems. So just be safe and don't shoot anyone in highsec ever GOD YOU NOOB HUNTERS JUST DON'T GET IT

Official Recruiter for GoonSwarm Corporation.

If you paid isk to get into GoonSwarm, you were probably scammed.  If you had the foresight to save the name of your scammer, let me know and I'll do what I can to help you.
Halete
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#84 - 2012-06-22 06:39:48 UTC
InternetSpaceship wrote:

It is, I mentioned that earlier, but it was ignored, because this is Eve-O.


M'kay. Was going to say. Wasn't sure where people were pulling the 'all rookies' thing from there.

"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21
Domono
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#85 - 2012-06-22 07:08:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Domono
GM Homonoia wrote:
Ok, this seems to be getting out of hand and our rulings are pulled out of context. So let me state this in the most simple terms possible.

1. New PLAYERS are protected by CCP in the systems listed here: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Rookie_Systems
2. No one is protected in systems outside of this list.
3. None but new PLAYERS are protected by CCP in any way.
4. If new PLAYERS keep getting harassed the list of systems may be expanded.
5. Players cannot see which characters are new PLAYERS and which are old players with new CHARACTERS; game masters CAN see this and we act accordingly.
6. It is impossible to define what a new PLAYER is in a way that is comprehensible, to the point and without loop holes, in addition to our players able to apply these rules to their fellow players around them. This means that we will not provide a hard definition to our player base, however game masters internally can apply these rules consistently and without bias.
7. In general do NOT mess around with new PLAYERS; anyone else is fair game.

The above guidelines are not up for discussion and they will not be further clarified. If you need further clarification you are probably doing something you should not be doing.


This post: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=100978&find=unread

Rookie Systems!
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Rookie_Systems
SKYIINET Caliborus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#86 - 2012-06-22 08:31:17 UTC
InternetSpaceship wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
CCP can easily check the griefers account history and killmail record to ascertain a pattern. This sounds exactly like one of those loopholes that CCP was referring to about player bullies taking advantage and bending the rules.

CCP said do not mess with Rookies. CCP didn't say just rookies in NPC corp, CCP said DO NOT MESS WITH ROOKIES.

If that isn't clear enough, wake up and drink some coffee. If clarification is needed, Rookie chat is active for 30 days.

Personally I hope the guy get's his ISP # perma-banned. This whole 'killing new players to teach them a lesson' is nothing more than a fail attempt to justify their actions.


So how do I know if he still has rookie chat?

That isn't a clarification at all. A clarification would make it clear to any player who is and isn't a rookie. I don't care about any baseless "noob-hunter" speculation you might have, if we have a hard rule not to **** with rookies, then we need to be told what a rookie is. That is only reasonable.

SKYIINET Caliborus wrote:
RAP ACTION HERO wrote:
your whole corp should be disbanded


Are you trying to tell me and my corporation members how to play a game?


You aren't playing the game, though, you're whining for CCP to ban the accounts of other players who are. Those players are using game rules and mechanics to play it. You don't like how they are playing it, but instead of doing the same and driving them away from your corp, you just dock up and cry to CCP about how hard Eve is and how you need them to come in and play it for you.


Wasn't whining. Point to where I was whining please. All I said is that the player was giving my corporation a hard time, and did you even see where I said

I DIDN'T GIVE INSTRUCTIONS TO LET THE PLAYER IN, IT WAS AN ACCIDENT, JESUS CHRIST KID READ THE POST.

All I asked was, why are players like this, If you think I was asking the ccp to do something, point to where the hell I said the string :CCP: in my post. K? ANYONE WHO ISN'T ABLE TO POINT TO IT AND HAS NOT REFERRED TO IT I DECLARE A DIGRESSING INDIVIDUAL.

Stay on topic please, I didn't mention the ccp. I didn't mention any ops, I said the player got in, and killed some of my corporation members, 60% of the members that were online at the time.

If you don't follow what I said, I will quote you and call you an idiot, because that is what you are.
SKYIINET Caliborus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#87 - 2012-06-22 08:34:28 UTC
Oh, and I in no way want the rules to be altered, this thread is getting twisted to a different topic.

I want to play the game, but if I can't have a revenge part in it where someone messed with me, I wouldn't have much fun getting back at them now would I?
Virgil Travis
Non Constructive Self Management
#88 - 2012-06-22 10:45:02 UTC
I've done a little research and can see where the real problem lies, your CEO is only a matter of weeks old himself, not sure if he's actually a new player, but it's certainly a new character. Corps filled with new players tend to attract attention, it used to be wardecs but those have ended up being broken and so some players turned to infiltration and awoxing as you've experienced.

We formed our own corp only after being in a much larger corp for several months that taught us about the game and how to handle ourselves, we weren't quite as new as you guys and we knew how the game worked and had been through a few wars in the previous corp.

Being so new is part of the problem, if you'd had a more experienced CEO then this probably wouldn't have happened or would have been dealt with more easily and would have been forgotten about in a matter of days. I would suggest talking to one or two of the players that have offered to join your corp and have a crack at this awoxer for you, take the opportunity to learn a few things and I know from personal experience that a gang of 5 - 10 frigates can take down a duel tanked destroyer with ease if they get stuck in.

The unfortunate thing is that new players starting their own corps and thinking they're just like guilds or clans in other games may be in for some surprises when they attract the attention of others in the game.

Unified Church of the Unobligated - madness in the method Mamma didn't raise no victims.
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din
Commonwealth Vanguard
#89 - 2012-06-22 10:54:53 UTC
Sadly there are quite a few Eve players who like to prey purely on the weak and the new as they are unable to fight real pvpers. They wil say its tear harvesting or somewuch nonsence, the reality is often that in real life or in game they are weak powerless people.

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#90 - 2012-06-22 12:46:58 UTC
InternetSpaceship wrote:
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
It's your right to love this behaviour and it's mine to say that this guy is breaking the rule "don't mess with rookies" + abusing system to not be kicked from the corp witch is an obvious behaviour CCP doesn't like.
They were pretty much excluded from the “don't mess with rookies” rule the second they joined a PC corp.



I actually can not agree or disagree with you since CCP didn't made this also obvious.


Yup. A GM even came in the thread and stated he intended to keep it vague, presumably so we can have fun situations like this one where the rules aren't at all clear. And most of that thread likes it that way, because it's a barely veiled means of saying "No PvP in highsec."



Well if a rookie targets you and shoot you:

-he's probably some noob and is about to boum by concord and will not even harm you anyway

-he's and older player alt trying to get you to kill him and exploit rule to get you some ban: GM's are not idiots

6rookie with 1bil in his cargo? -c'mon this is not a rookie, it's common sense, and it deserves to eat the fire.

Now I'm pretty sure that if Goonswarm wants to abuse the system until changes are done those are "noob" experienced enough (see last thread about FW LP's that I liked by the way).
Pretty sure they can come up with every single possible situation and harass GM's with petitions to make some sort of "chart" and help them (GM's) set some clear rules.

I'd like to see this being done so rookies/jerks have defined rules of engagement (but still Gm's last word is the one prevailing)

Goonies? -do it, NAO !! Lol

<3

brb
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#91 - 2012-06-22 14:20:51 UTC
This is all I have to say.
Doddy
Excidium.
#92 - 2012-06-22 14:33:12 UTC
You guys realise there was one engagement here, and its pretty much impossible for one guy in a thrasher to trap and kill 5 frigs/destroyers unless they are you know trying to kill him back.
SKYIINET Caliborus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#93 - 2012-06-22 14:48:46 UTC
Rico Minali wrote:
Sadly there are quite a few Eve players who like to prey purely on the weak and the new as they are unable to fight real pvpers. They wil say its tear harvesting or somewuch nonsence, the reality is often that in real life or in game they are weak powerless people.


That's what I was looking for.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#94 - 2012-06-22 14:51:55 UTC
Danks wrote:
You had 33 noobs and couldn't take down one guy? I'd say the fault is yours OP for not thinking of a way to do that.

Also, not griefing, not bullying, not harrasment. This is the risk anyone takes when forming a corp.


This. Seriously, one good bait ship to get him aggressed and unable to dock, then a swarm of Merlins, Rifters, and Incursus. He's doomed.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#95 - 2012-06-22 14:52:22 UTC
SKYIINET Caliborus wrote:
Rico Minali wrote:
Sadly there are quite a few Eve players who like to prey purely on the weak and the new as they are unable to fight real pvpers. They wil say its tear harvesting or somewuch nonsence, the reality is often that in real life or in game they are weak powerless people.

That's what I was looking for.

Roll

The whole point of making this post was to get that specific reaction? Thanks for shitting up the forums...

A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#96 - 2012-06-22 14:52:58 UTC
Rico Minali wrote:
Sadly there are quite a few Eve players who like to prey purely on the weak and the new as they are unable to fight real pvpers. They wil say its tear harvesting or somewuch nonsence, the reality is often that in real life or in game they are weak powerless people.

Your vision of "reality" differs from what i know of guys who do this sort of thing. And I know quite a few of them.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Tevar
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#97 - 2012-06-22 15:06:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Tevar
What would stop a Vet from getting a 14 day account... pimping out a rookie ship and killing sophmoric players "like myself" that now can't fire back cause we'll get banned?

Also... if said rookie/vet exploiter leaves the rookie system and agresses you... wth do you do... if your lucky enough to figure out it's a real rookie or possibly a fakey rookie... I mean... this could get out of hand if there are enough folks that start doing this... zombie rookie fleets of doom...

/concerned
SKYIINET Caliborus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#98 - 2012-06-22 16:36:32 UTC
Karl Hobb wrote:
SKYIINET Caliborus wrote:
Rico Minali wrote:
Sadly there are quite a few Eve players who like to prey purely on the weak and the new as they are unable to fight real pvpers. They wil say its tear harvesting or somewuch nonsence, the reality is often that in real life or in game they are weak powerless people.

That's what I was looking for.

Roll

The whole point of making this post was to get that specific reaction? Thanks for shitting up the forums...


It went from me asking what makes a player want to do that action to...

Apparently people expressing their opinion of why I complain to the CCP to...

How the rookie system should work?

I wasn't the one who set up the reactions, it was someone around the 2nd - 8th post who went waaaay off topic.
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#99 - 2012-06-22 16:52:12 UTC
SKYIINET Caliborus wrote:
It went from me asking what makes a player want to do that action to...

So you wanted a specific answer to your question and weren't prepared for the people telling you that it doesn't matter why someone wants to do that, in EVE it is up to you to stop them from doing it?

**** man, I could tell you all day that the dude is pretty sad for picking on newbies but it doesn't change the fact that you're whining over something that you personally have to deal with. You had the tools, 8 guys vs. one, and instead of fighting back you came here to whine. No wonder you got the reaction you did.

A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.
SKYIINET Caliborus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#100 - 2012-06-22 17:22:44 UTC
Karl Hobb wrote:
SKYIINET Caliborus wrote:
It went from me asking what makes a player want to do that action to...

So you wanted a specific answer to your question and weren't prepared for the people telling you that it doesn't matter why someone wants to do that, in EVE it is up to you to stop them from doing it?

**** man, I could tell you all day that the dude is pretty sad for picking on newbies but it doesn't change the fact that you're whining over something that you personally have to deal with. You had the tools, 8 guys vs. one, and instead of fighting back you came here to whine. No wonder you got the reaction you did.


Meh reasonable I guess.