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Nicole Severasse
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2012-06-22 13:21:34 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Dosnix
Az Tek wrote:

Here is the mail that proceeded after he got pissy that I rejected him. So he sends me a message asking me if i had scammed him. Also, after this post I am done with this thread. I wouldn't have even bothered to post here to start with but i don't want the corp to have a bad name cause this douche wants to cry about being rejected over complete stupidity. You all can hold his hand and believe him if you want. I personally couldn't give x2 fucks less. Is now walking away.
*snip*


1st, can't post mails on the forums, which is why I didn't before. But the previous 3 mails is basically me asking if it was a scam. Him saying that it wasn't, they were just reorganizing channel permissions or something rather. And then I asked why he dropped me from private convo. That's where his mails begin. Also, if he gave me ships, it would show up on my trades/contracts, which it doesn't.

tl:dr. was scammed by Heretic Nation, above post by Az Tek is mostly fiction with a few bits of truth mixed in.

And again, was never replied to by the above posters in Heretic Nation to work things out. May just have not worked out on timing, but considering they have been online since then, I doubt it.

I´ve fixed your quotation

ISD Dosnix
btngu
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2012-06-22 13:41:40 UTC
Nicole Severasse wrote:
I figured this was how this would go. Also interesting to point out, I have had neither MrWhitei God or Griznatle reply to my mails.


I'm sure with alliance tourney and everything their number one concern would be to respond to your mails less than 12 hours after you sent them.
Az Tek
Overheat.Everything
#43 - 2012-06-22 13:41:40 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Dosnix
rat atat wrote:
StonerPhReaK wrote:
rat atat wrote:
the response from az tek is clearly a pack of lies.. the OP is clearly dumb.. but az tek just sounds like a lying *snip*.


using his alliance as bait for corp recruitment scams is low. its just pathetic. takes no skill and looks cheap.. like a wanna be goonswarm. i hope the 1.2 Bil was worth it (LMAO that ur broke) .. cashed out heretics reputation for 1.2 bil isk. ouch.



Anyone who has to use the f word loses all credibility. No one should put up with a mentally challenged individual and then not get some kind of compensation. I would point out your blatant Forum Alt warrioring with 0 likes (EEEK), But chances are your just nicoli or whoever....




go back to smoking your cannabis you *snip*. is life so hard for you that you need to alter your reality with drugs ? LMAOOOOOOO what a loser.. a *snip* OH NOES !!! ANOTHER ALT LETS ALL CRY ABOUT IT.

oh and enjoy being a broke *snip* that the rest of us (society) looks down on.

bye now , *snip*.



It's not him trying to justify me. It's viewing obvious facts and saying it is what it is. Not trolling completely idiot nonsense. Do you even read the **** that falls out of your head? But many posts justifying me? What's the difference in your many posts just talking ****? lol. Dude, you are so mature. I mean like... what the other guy said. You deserve an award. Most mature EVE player of all time. Theres so many wrong things with what you typed. You have no idea what's going on here.Your just throwing out random, unfounded, and frankly stupid immature insults to people.

and unfounded assumptions like this one "go back to smoking your cannabis you weak *snip*.. is life so hard for you that you need to alter your reality with drugs ? LMAOOOOOOO what a loser.. " lol, it's actually kinda funny. just the things you say as insults. But yes. You sir are a failure. Good luck in life. You will need it.

Cleared post and quotation (no personal attacks)
ISD Dosnix

Fight, Fly, Crow... Bangerang
Griznatle
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#44 - 2012-06-22 15:20:48 UTC
Dear nikole. I do apologize for the tardyness to your ingame mail. I am currently only able to use my android electrocellphone telephone, which reads forums great but hates evegate. I chatted with aztek, but again I would like to chat (not emailchain) with you as well. I find when attempting to thread out the truth one must find a common ground between both parties. Matter of perception, psychology 101, etc.

Anyway if you saw me online last night that is totally weird, I was not actually ingame with griz, although ipa's have quite a hard hit on memory sometimes, pobably best you didn't chat with me as I was ledrunk.
Proteus Maximus
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#45 - 2012-06-22 15:22:21 UTC
Az Tek wrote:
rat atat wrote:
StonerPhReaK wrote:
rat atat wrote:
the response from az tek is clearly a pack of lies.. the OP is clearly dumb.. but az tek just sounds like a lying f a g g o t.


using his alliance as bait for corp recruitment scams is low. its just pathetic. takes no skill and looks cheap.. like a wanna be goonswarm. i hope the 1.2 Bil was worth it (LMAO that ur broke) .. cashed out heretics reputation for 1.2 bil isk. ouch.



Anyone who has to use the f word loses all credibility. No one should put up with a mentally challenged individual and then not get some kind of compensation. I would point out your blatant Forum Alt warrioring with 0 likes (EEEK), But chances are your just nicoli or whoever....




go back to smoking your cannabis you weak little virgin.. is life so hard for you that you need to alter your reality with drugs ? LMAOOOOOOO what a loser.. also your many posts trying to justify az tek is pretty gay.. either u wanna suck his **** or your are him on an alt OH NOES !!! ANOTHER ALT LETS ALL CRY ABOUT IT.

oh and enjoy being a broke ass dumpster diver that the rest of us (society) looks down on.

bye now , u **** gobbling ******.



It's not him trying to justify me. It's viewing obvious facts and saying it is what it is. Not trolling completely idiot nonsense. Do you even read the **** that falls out of your head? But many posts justifying me? What's the difference in your many posts just talking ****? lol. Dude, you are so mature. I mean like... what the other guy said. You deserve an award. Most mature EVE player of all time. Theres so many wrong things with what you typed. You have no idea what's going on here.Your just throwing out random, unfounded, and frankly stupid immature insults to people.

and unfounded assumptions like this one "go back to smoking your cannabis you weak little virgin.. is life so hard for you that you need to alter your reality with drugs ? LMAOOOOOOO what a loser.. " lol, it's actually kinda funny. just the things you say as insults. But yes. You sir are a failure. Good luck in life. You will need it.


He will need it is a monumental understatement.
Makes me think of a quote I've been reading in threads lately known as " "Fail Cascade", witch is exactly what we are headed for. Right about the time these sniveling little worthless snowflakes are sent out into the real world.

If Goons were around when God said, "Let there be light" they'd have called the light gay, and plunged the universe back into darkness by squatting their nutsacks over it.
Nicole Severasse
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2012-06-22 15:30:59 UTC
Griznatle wrote:
Dear nikole. I do apologize for the tardyness to your ingame mail. I am currently only able to use my android electrocellphone telephone, which reads forums great but hates evegate. I chatted with aztek, but again I would like to chat (not emailchain) with you as well. I find when attempting to thread out the truth one must find a common ground between both parties. Matter of perception, psychology 101, etc.

Anyway if you saw me online last night that is totally weird, I was not actually ingame with griz, although ipa's have quite a hard hit on memory sometimes, pobably best you didn't chat with me as I was ledrunk.

Ok, I should be on later tonight if that works?

Not sure if I saw you or just MrWhitei God, but I know I saw at least one of you. May have just been him. I'll login again tonight and see if you are around then.
Jude Lloyd
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#47 - 2012-06-22 18:03:03 UTC
As I mentioned before, Heretic Nation leadership will deal with this accusation. It is not being ignored in any way, I can assure you. We DO NOT run recruitment scams on individual pilots or corporations. If it turns out that is what has truly happened here, the alliance leadership with deal with the problem internally and the ISK may be reimbursed.

That being said, Az Tek is a good recruitment officer and has brought in several promising new pilots to Heretic University. I don't expect a full-blown recruitment scam to be something he would do while representing the alliance.

Nicole - please do get in touch with either Whitei or Griz, they do want to speak with you and hear your side of the story.






IMO, the worst part about this thread is that its titled "Heretic Nation". We are a relatively small pirate alliance, and when it comes to piracy - we are cold bastards. We will pop and pod anything we get our hands on (unless theres a ransom involved). BUT when it comes to dealing with other respectable pirate corps, we honor the unwritten code. When it comes to diplomacy, we treat them with the respect they deserve.

Heretic Army may be full of dangerous and evil pirates, but the leadership has worked hard to keep the corp's diplomacy when dealing with other legitimate pirate corps straight and honest.

I'm back!
Jude Lloyd
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#48 - 2012-06-22 18:07:31 UTC
Lady Spank wrote:
A coven of w(b)itches they may be but they blob with honoure! Speak to their officials and I'm sure you will get your ISK back if you provide some convincing evidence.

Ps they don't really blob if you ask nicely etc. <3


Thanks for the kind words Spank o7

And yeah we try not to blob... in fact I don't think theres a killmail on the last three months of our board with more than 5 guys on it. There may be, but its very rare.

I'm back!
Az Tek
Overheat.Everything
#49 - 2012-06-22 20:55:00 UTC
I would also like to submit a formal apology to you Nicole if you honestly think I screwed you in anyway. But I do not see this as the case. We both know what was said in private and on vent.

And yeah Heretics do not blob. There MIGHT be a kill with more than 5 pilots on it in the last 3 months. MAYBE. We do small gang/solo PVP for the most part.

Fight, Fly, Crow... Bangerang
Korg Tronix
Mole Station Nursery
#50 - 2012-06-22 20:57:55 UTC
Az Tek wrote:
We do small gang/solo PVP for the most part.


Az Tek don't lie to people we all sit on the gate in our legions and orcas, running as soon as something resembling a fight arrives.

Evil: If I were creating the world I wouldn't mess about with butterflies and daffodils. I would have started with lasers, eight o'clock, Day One! [zaps one of his minions accidentally, minion screams]
Nicole Severasse
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#51 - 2012-06-22 23:44:31 UTC
Jude Lloyd wrote:
As I mentioned before, Heretic Nation leadership will deal with this accusation. It is not being ignored in any way, I can assure you. We DO NOT run recruitment scams on individual pilots or corporations. If it turns out that is what has truly happened here, the alliance leadership with deal with the problem internally and the ISK may be reimbursed.

That being said, Az Tek is a good recruitment officer and has brought in several promising new pilots to Heretic University. I don't expect a full-blown recruitment scam to be something he would do while representing the alliance.

Nicole - please do get in touch with either Whitei or Griz, they do want to speak with you and hear your side of the story.






IMO, the worst part about this thread is that its titled "Heretic Nation". We are a relatively small pirate alliance, and when it comes to piracy - we are cold bastards. We will pop and pod anything we get our hands on (unless theres a ransom involved). BUT when it comes to dealing with other respectable pirate corps, we honor the unwritten code. When it comes to diplomacy, we treat them with the respect they deserve.

Heretic Army may be full of dangerous and evil pirates, but the leadership has worked hard to keep the corp's diplomacy when dealing with other legitimate pirate corps straight and honest.

I was able to talk with Griznatle just now, and have decent expectations that this will be resolved. I think you guys do not intend to at least, but this is what happened in this circumstance, which is why I made this post. I don't make stuff up, and especially not to slander someone or their corp/alliance's name.

Honestly, that was the exact impression I had going into this. That despite being pirates, there was still an 'honor amongst thieves' so to speak. I do sincerely hope that this is resolved and that I can revise my post about Heretic Nation.

@Az Tek,
I would accept the apology, but not really sure that it is sincere. Your denial of what happened is not going to make it go away. We never did get to chatting on vent, and yes we do both know what was said in private chat.

@Korg Tronix
I haven't had the pleasure of actually being near a Heretic fleet/gang before, but at least give yourselves some credit :) Heck, between talking to both Az Tek and Griznatle you guys seem to constantly be in action. I do wish your alliance the best and hope this is resolved.
Jones Bones
Rattini Tribe
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#52 - 2012-06-23 01:56:31 UTC
I'm gonna call bullshit. My Amamakian brothers are renown for many things, but scamming is not one of them.
Jude Lloyd
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#53 - 2012-06-23 03:30:06 UTC
Jones Bones wrote:
I'm gonna call bullshit. My Amamakian brothers are renown for many things, but scamming is not one of them.


"Amamakian" ... I like that.

I'm back!
Az Tek
Overheat.Everything
#54 - 2012-06-23 09:02:11 UTC
Jude Lloyd wrote:
Jones Bones wrote:
I'm gonna call bullshit. My Amamakian brothers are renown for many things, but scamming is not one of them.


"Amamakian" ... I like that.


I am stealing this actually. Nice.

Fight, Fly, Crow... Bangerang
Jude Lloyd
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#55 - 2012-06-23 12:40:16 UTC
Az Tek wrote:
Jude Lloyd wrote:
Jones Bones wrote:
I'm gonna call bullshit. My Amamakian brothers are renown for many things, but scamming is not one of them.


"Amamakian" ... I like that.


I am stealing this actually. Nice.


Thief!

I'm back!
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#56 - 2012-06-23 12:47:01 UTC
Lady Spank wrote:
A coven of w(b)itches they may be but they blob with honoure! Speak to their officials and I'm sure you will get your ISK back if you provide some convincing evidence.

Ps they don't really blob if you ask nicely etc. <3

Every interaction I've ever had with Heretic Army/Heretic Nation has been positive. I didn't take the time to read this entire thread before posting about something on the second page, but I am certain things will resolve themselves equitably for you so long as you get in contact with the people in leadership positions.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn
Serenity Frye
Doughboys
#57 - 2012-06-23 19:07:42 UTC
one can assess this situation by simply analyzing avatars. OP looks like a whiny shill, and as such, this is simply the case.

the great mother of amamake will not let this slander stand.
Nicole Severasse
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#58 - 2012-06-24 01:15:54 UTC
Lyris Nairn wrote:
Lady Spank wrote:
A coven of w(b)itches they may be but they blob with honoure! Speak to their officials and I'm sure you will get your ISK back if you provide some convincing evidence.

Ps they don't really blob if you ask nicely etc. <3

Every interaction I've ever had with Heretic Army/Heretic Nation has been positive. I didn't take the time to read this entire thread before posting about something on the second page, but I am certain things will resolve themselves equitably for you so long as you get in contact with the people in leadership positions.

I'll totally agree that even when I had dealt with Az Tek previously it was very positive, up to this point of course.

In my more recent conversations with Griznatle, I can definitely say that if he is representative of their leadership, I am very impressed with it.
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#59 - 2012-06-24 06:10:27 UTC
And it all worked out in the end.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn
Warren Gee
#60 - 2012-06-26 04:50:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Warren Gee
For anyone reading this thead i can confirm that the OP's story is infact correct and that az tek's story is full of lies... hes our main recruiter, why, because hes so fail in RL that he spends 16 hours online per day "playing" spaceships and leadership thinks that they may aswel use him for recruitment.


how do i know this, well on my main im actually in heretic .. for the most part they are good guys but theres a few idiots in there. az tek being chief annoying douchebag . hes taken his whole recruiter thing to heart and his "spaceimportance" has truly gone to his head. trys to troll fellow heretics and when they own him he goes bitching to alliance leadership and trying to get people kicked .


all the people i like and hang out with in heretics hate aztek.. its only the idiots and pubbies who put up with his crap.


How do i know all this? well my main is actually in heretic army.. not for long though as im gonna bail as soon as i find a decent corp/alliance with less lies and bitchy politics .

I would make this post using my main but since az tek appears to be the worlds most deluded and compulsive liar i dont want him making up tons of fictitious slanderous bullcrap about my toonie - which he 100% would try and do.


any potential recruits - you have been warned.


OH and PS... If you kill anything that drops faction loot.. expect Az Tek and other Heretic leadership to force you to hand over and faction items for alliance wallet (AKA their own wallet). the leadership litterally race each other to be the first to tell you to give them loot. if u kill something even remotely shiny then for the next 5 days u can expect to be convod by the vultures looking for their scraps of loot as one by one they discover the mail on the KB. its ******* pathetic and annoying.




Signed,


Soon to be ex-heretic.