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Goons 4x4ing through the Sandbox - Market Manipulation on a Grand Scale

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Ford Hakata
Hakata Group
#1101 - 2012-06-22 13:26:30 UTC
Holy batsh*t, sell everything, Alfred!
Amarr Ian
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#1102 - 2012-06-22 13:31:53 UTC

How about you tell me how this didn't fail. I'm not saying that it wasn't a good idea, but what did happen, is that they broadcast-ed what they were doing, (while bragging their a**** off) and lost all the hard? earned ISK.

Now please tell me how this wasn't a fail.
Gun Gal
Dark Club
#1103 - 2012-06-22 13:32:50 UTC
Karadion Kohlar wrote:
Gun Gal wrote:

I remember when a whole guild was banned in UO for abusing game mechanics. SHOULD happen here as well.
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See, that's the problem here. You played Ultima Online. Now we're talking 5 people and you are trying to encourage CCP to ban 4000+ accounts because of those 5? That's 60K smacks per month they'd lose. Good thing they don't listen to morons like you.


Uo was arguably the best sandbox game ever until it was broken up into pieces. If you never experienced it, too bad for you.


So, in your reasoning, only 5 people were to blame for nazi Germany, and everyone else was just along for the ride?

and so what? Loosing 4k asshats bent on abusing the game would most likely bring in 20000 more subscriptions. There is a difference between being competitive and what the goons are doing.
Short term pain long game.
Vile rat
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#1104 - 2012-06-22 13:35:29 UTC
Gun Gal wrote:
Karadion Kohlar wrote:
Gun Gal wrote:

I remember when a whole guild was banned in UO for abusing game mechanics. SHOULD happen here as well.
.

See, that's the problem here. You played Ultima Online. Now we're talking 5 people and you are trying to encourage CCP to ban 4000+ accounts because of those 5? That's 60K smacks per month they'd lose. Good thing they don't listen to morons like you.


Uo was arguably the best sandbox game ever until it was broken up into pieces. If you never experienced it, too bad for you.


So, in your reasoning, only 5 people were to blame for **** Germany, and everyone else was just along for the ride?

and so what? Loosing 4k asshats bent on abusing the game would most likely bring in 20000 more subscriptions. There is a difference between being competitive and what the goons are doing.
Short term pain long game.


No you misunderstand. Only 5 or so people in the game even knew about this while they were working up their proof of concept. This wasn't sponsored by goonswarm, it was just accomplished by a few guys doing their own thing in goonswarm.
Blastcaps Madullier
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#1105 - 2012-06-22 13:35:32 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
infact, is it my imagination or does the topic of this thread pretty much mimic the current UK news story about jimmy carr?


you mean where he was caught abusing tax loopholes to pay less tax than someone working as a cleaner on several million £ stirling? :)

basicly he in effect reduced his tax bill down to effectively 1%, which is ironic considering his comedy sketch on one UK bank's 1% tax avoidance "offer" lol
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#1106 - 2012-06-22 13:35:36 UTC
Amarr Ian wrote:

How about you tell me how this didn't fail. I'm not saying that it wasn't a good idea, but what did happen, is that they broadcast-ed what they were doing, (while bragging their a**** off) and lost all the hard? earned ISK.

Now please tell me how this wasn't a fail.


Well, you're the one insisting that it IS a failure. So why don't you tell us how helping to fix a mechanic while also getting paid phat stacks of cash is a failure?

[b]Don't worry about posting with your main!  Post with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."[/b]
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#1107 - 2012-06-22 13:37:28 UTC
Isn't this what is called an exploit?
Dramaticus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1108 - 2012-06-22 13:38:35 UTC
Khergit Deserters wrote:
Isn't this what is called an exploit?


No more than logging on is.

The 'do-nothing' member of the GoonSwarm Economic Warfare Cabal

The edge is REALLY hard to see at times but it DOES exist and in this case we were looking at a situation where a new feature created for all of our customers was being virtually curbstomped by five of them
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#1109 - 2012-06-22 13:40:10 UTC
Gun Gal wrote:
So, in your reasoning, only 5 people were to blame for **** Germany, and everyone else was just along for the ride?

Yes, 5 guys planning and executing this heist is literally like hitler and his staff firing every gun in WW2.

Gun Gal wrote:
Loosing 4k asshats bent on abusing the game would most likely bring in 20000 more subscriptions.

I beg to differ. We create more content than probably any other alliance in EVE today, and the general reception in this thread alone is surprisingly positive. Eerily so. It's only people like you, who I presume have been scammed or similar by us before, who seem to have a jalapenos-stick up their butt about the whole deal.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Tomytronic
Perkone
Caldari State
#1110 - 2012-06-22 13:45:03 UTC
people always cry about the 'sandbox' when other people play the 'sandbox' differently to them

'sandbox' isn't a synonym for 'the game as i want it'

also, 'sandbox' is a child's plaything, and are we not men? jade, you don't have to answer this.
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#1111 - 2012-06-22 13:47:11 UTC
Things are going well, I hope nobody spoils them.
Alexzandvar Douglass
Motiveless Malignity
Deepwater Hooligans
#1112 - 2012-06-22 13:48:58 UTC
Tomytronic wrote:
people always cry about the 'sandbox' when other people play the 'sandbox' differently to them

'sandbox' isn't a synonym for 'the game as i want it'

also, 'sandbox' is a child's plaything, and are we not men? jade, you don't have to answer this.


Remember kids, don't eat the sand, animals poop in there.
Amarr Ian
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#1113 - 2012-06-22 13:51:11 UTC
Lapine Davion wrote:
Amarr Ian wrote:

How about you tell me how this didn't fail. I'm not saying that it wasn't a good idea, but what did happen, is that they broadcast-ed what they were doing, (while bragging their a**** off) and lost all the hard? earned ISK.

Now please tell me how this wasn't a fail.


Well, you're the one insisting that it IS a failure. So why don't you tell us how helping to fix a mechanic while also getting paid phat stacks of cash is a failure?



But they haven't got fat sacks of cash from this so....................... fail

And luckily its not my job to fix the game.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#1114 - 2012-06-22 13:51:54 UTC
Amarr Ian wrote:
But they haven't got fat sacks of cash from this so....................... fail

And luckily its not my job to fix the game.

Have their spoils been taken away from them already?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Carlos Aranda
Doomheim
#1115 - 2012-06-22 13:52:37 UTC

I have a problem to understand this whole claimed LP shop heist by Goons.

If I look at the items, which the Goons should have purchased in the Minmatar LP shop, they are not crashed yet. So either the Goons lied about the magnitude of their LP shop heist or they still have most of the items, they exchanged in the Fw shop in their hangars or have not exchanged the LPs in anything so far. This would lead to the next question: What will they do with it, if they really have it? Will we see Goon fleets with Republic fleet equipment and with +5 implants and hardwirings in their pods? Will they try to feed their stocks of RF items slowly in the market?

I also do not quite understand in general, what Goons do with their ISKs. We not know, how much money Goons really made out of FW shop manipulations. We do know exactly, they sit on a monopol of Tech. Surprisingly we do not see any of this ISK. Goons still fly the same crappy fleet set ups like a few months ago, while other alliances fly t3 and have still way more Supercapitals. Others also have of course ship reimbursement programs. In other words, the wealth does not reach the average Goon. Where is that money?

Dramaticus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1116 - 2012-06-22 13:54:54 UTC
Carlos Aranda wrote:

I have a problem to understand this whole claimed LP shop heist by Goons.

If I look at the items, which the Goons should have purchased in the Minmatar LP shop, they are not crashed yet. So either the Goons lied about the magnitude of their LP shop heist or they still have most of the items, they exchanged in the Fw shop in their hangars or have not exchanged the LPs in anything so far. This would lead to the next question: What will they do with it, if they really have it? Will we see Goon fleets with Republic fleet equipment and with +5 implants and hardwirings in their pods? Will they try to feed their stocks of RF items slowly in the market?

I also do not quite understand in general, what Goons do with their ISKs. We not know, how much money Goons really made out of FW shop manipulations. We do know exactly, they sit on a monopol of Tech. Surprisingly we do not see any of this ISK. Goons still fly the same crappy fleet set ups like a few months ago, while other alliances fly t3 and have still way more Supercapitals. Others also have of course ship reimbursement programs. In other words, the wealth does not reach the average Goon. Where is that money?



Switzerland

The 'do-nothing' member of the GoonSwarm Economic Warfare Cabal

The edge is REALLY hard to see at times but it DOES exist and in this case we were looking at a situation where a new feature created for all of our customers was being virtually curbstomped by five of them
Signal11th
#1117 - 2012-06-22 13:56:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Signal11th
TL DR:

Someone figured out a way of doing something they weren't supposed to, may or may not have made serious cash out of it.
Some people aren't happy because they didn't get their hands on any of it. CryCryCry

***


This is one of the reasons I love EVE the fact you can even do this type of stuff, don't knock it, appreciate it!!!

God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!" I came fifth and won a toaster!
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#1118 - 2012-06-22 13:59:12 UTC
Carlos Aranda wrote:

I have a problem to understand this whole claimed LP shop heist by Goons.

If I look at the items, which the Goons should have purchased in the Minmatar LP shop, they are not crashed yet. So either the Goons lied about the magnitude of their LP shop heist or they still have most of the items, they exchanged in the Fw shop in their hangars or have not exchanged the LPs in anything so far. This would lead to the next question: What will they do with it, if they really have it? Will we see Goon fleets with Republic fleet equipment and with +5 implants and hardwirings in their pods? Will they try to feed their stocks of RF items slowly in the market?

I also do not quite understand in general, what Goons do with their ISKs. We not know, how much money Goons really made out of FW shop manipulations. We do know exactly, they sit on a monopol of Tech. Surprisingly we do not see any of this ISK. Goons still fly the same crappy fleet set ups like a few months ago, while other alliances fly t3 and have still way more Supercapitals. Others also have of course ship reimbursement programs. In other words, the wealth does not reach the average Goon. Where is that money?




The answer to your question is that the goon leadership will be paying their eve subs with plex for about 17,000 years.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Fenella
Dangermouse Inc.
#1119 - 2012-06-22 13:59:57 UTC
Dramaticus wrote:
Carlos Aranda wrote:

I have a problem to understand this whole claimed LP shop heist by Goons.

If I look at the items, which the Goons should have purchased in the Minmatar LP shop, they are not crashed yet. So either the Goons lied about the magnitude of their LP shop heist or they still have most of the items, they exchanged in the Fw shop in their hangars or have not exchanged the LPs in anything so far. This would lead to the next question: What will they do with it, if they really have it? Will we see Goon fleets with Republic fleet equipment and with +5 implants and hardwirings in their pods? Will they try to feed their stocks of RF items slowly in the market?

I also do not quite understand in general, what Goons do with their ISKs. We not know, how much money Goons really made out of FW shop manipulations. We do know exactly, they sit on a monopol of Tech. Surprisingly we do not see any of this ISK. Goons still fly the same crappy fleet set ups like a few months ago, while other alliances fly t3 and have still way more Supercapitals. Others also have of course ship reimbursement programs. In other words, the wealth does not reach the average Goon. Where is that money?



Switzerland


The Greek population is asking the same questions...
Carlos Aranda
Doomheim
#1120 - 2012-06-22 14:02:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Carlos Aranda
Dramaticus wrote:


Switzerland


you mean like the Marcos Billions? I can live with that, because Switzerland confiscated them. Usually if dictators lose their power, Switzerland confiscates the money and either pays it to a legit new government or keep it silently in their wallet.


@ jade: that would mean what? They cashed in already or not? I would say, they did not cash in the most part of what they claim to have. The market history did not change much in the last days.