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The Problem of Eve Collectiveism

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Ohanka
#21 - 2012-06-22 09:56:56 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Dramaticus wrote:
The dictatorial style of leadership works because it is also the only style of corporate and alliance governance allowed by game mechanics.

Are we perhaps blaming CCP's corporation/alliance structure?

I love the "magic button" part of it. Press butan, disband alliance.


yup

North Korea is Best Korea
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#22 - 2012-06-22 10:16:16 UTC
Dramaticus wrote:
The dictatorial style of leadership works because it is also the only style of corporate and alliance governance allowed by game mechanics.


Council / Republic governments are more than supported by game mechanics with the vote and shares features. They don't work because they tend to get crippled by indecision very, very easily, not to mention are extremely vulnerable to sabotage.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#23 - 2012-06-22 10:19:02 UTC
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Dramaticus wrote:
The dictatorial style of leadership works because it is also the only style of corporate and alliance governance allowed by game mechanics.


Council / Republic governments are more than supported by game mechanics with the vote and shares features. They don't work because they tend to get crippled by indecision very, very easily, not to mention are extremely vulnerable to sabotage.


The shares system is more of a security feature meant to prevent somebody going rogue and, say, stealing locked BPOs. It's kind of like requiring two keys to open a vault.

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Nathan Ernaga
Applesauce Brigade
#24 - 2012-06-22 10:44:00 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Tyrozan
-----Edit----- scourge in EVE ? STO ?Shocked

Post edited.
Please, be respectful of others.

ISD Tyrozan
Ensign
Community Communications Liaisons
Interstellar Services Department

If you have in your hands the key to the fulfillment of your life's ambition and superiority over most, if you are aware that there is an absolute power on hand (just over the basic moral principles) how far are you willing to go and through what you are willing to tread?
Alexzandvar Douglass
Motiveless Malignity
Deepwater Hooligans
#25 - 2012-06-22 10:49:11 UTC
This reminds me of ghost from True Capitalist Radio.

Now that I think about it the name "The True Capitalist Army" would be a pretty good name for a Alliance.

In space no one can here you cans.wav
Graic Gabtar
The Lemon Party
#26 - 2012-06-22 10:52:01 UTC
Dik DikVanDikDictator wrote:
I AM BEING KILLED! PLEASE HELP!
Have a guess who just had to read "1984" for school?
Kyle Ward
Doomheim
#27 - 2012-06-22 12:41:19 UTC
I mission run with my comrades so that we may all rejoice in the fruits of our labors

The Sandbox, you're playing it wrong!
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#28 - 2012-06-22 13:40:01 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Tyrozan
-----Edit------
Employment History:


CURRENT CORPORATION
Imperial Academy [IAC] from 2012.06.22 02:30 to this day

C'mon - you can do better than that!

0/10 - TOO obvious troll

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#29 - 2012-06-22 13:47:18 UTC
@OP

Why don't you join the collective anti-bot?

They will show you how to find them out:

-mining barge= bot

-afk hauler= bot

-mission Tengus= bot

-null sec rating carriers = bot

-market trading = bot

You see it's easy, target them all and gank them. Everyone else is a fair and honest player that loves pvp so much but they can't because anti bot crusade is never finished.

Join them now Lol

brb
ElQuirko
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2012-06-22 13:50:45 UTC
This is the most entertaining thread I have read for a while. SMASH THE MACHINES!

Dodixie > Hek
Romar Agent
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#31 - 2012-06-22 13:50:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Romar Agent
Before we delve into the OP's whatever agenda, can we speak about the terms socialism, communism, and selfish first?
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#32 - 2012-06-22 13:53:41 UTC
Romar Agent wrote:
Before we delve into the OP's whatever agenda, can we speak about the terms socialism, communism, and selfish first?



"By December" -nope

"By February" - nope

"By April/May" -nope

"By June" -still nope

"Soon" -some day.

brb
Noriko Satomi
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2012-06-22 15:31:00 UTC
Boston Bradley wrote:
...To say "communism is bad" is like saying "saving a child from a fire is stupid".

Helping is always welcome...

Historically, the practice of communism has lead to the murder of millions. It has also never had anything to do with "the people" and has always been accompanied by totalitarianism. So, no, saying "communism is bad" is like saying "water is wet".

Helping the community, working with your neighbors, voluntarily sharing is a good thing. Pooling your resources with those of like mind to achieve something together that you wouldn't otherwise be able to achieve is a good thing.

Having the state order the forced starvation of 7 million people because they disagreed with the state is a bad thing. Political purges and destruction of historical records is a bad thing. Communism is bad.

You must judge it by what it does, not by the lie of its ideals.
Ohanka
#34 - 2012-06-24 15:49:38 UTC
ElQuirko wrote:
This is the most entertaining thread I have read for a while. SMASH THE MACHINES!


This guy would probably be in favour of such a scheme

North Korea is Best Korea
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#35 - 2012-06-24 15:57:14 UTC
Noriko Satomi wrote:
Boston Bradley wrote:
...To say "communism is bad" is like saying "saving a child from a fire is stupid".

Helping is always welcome...

Historically, the practice of communism has lead to the murder of millions. It has also never had anything to do with "the people" and has always been accompanied by totalitarianism. So, no, saying "communism is bad" is like saying "water is wet".

Helping the community, working with your neighbors, voluntarily sharing is a good thing. Pooling your resources with those of like mind to achieve something together that you wouldn't otherwise be able to achieve is a good thing.

Having the state order the forced starvation of 7 million people because they disagreed with the state is a bad thing. Political purges and destruction of historical records is a bad thing. Communism is bad.

You must judge it by what it does, not by the lie of its ideals.


Communism is a great idea, its just that nobody has really done it yet. The dear leader looks after us and we get to express ourselves in our own unique ways. For example, I fly megathrons in every fleet. And I mean litterally every fleet.
stoicfaux
#36 - 2012-06-24 16:01:01 UTC
Boston Bradley wrote:
To say "communism is bad" is like saying "saving a child from a fire is stupid".

Oh, I don't know. There are plenty of people who say that letting a Kenyan hospital house burn because a newborn Obama would have died in the fire would be a smart thing to do.

edit: Err, hospitals keep records. It would have to be a home birth.

edit2: also, in before the lock.

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Tarn Kugisa
Kugisa Dynamics
#37 - 2012-06-24 18:34:36 UTC
Ohanka wrote:
This thread is full of fail

Be polite. Be efficient. Have a plan to troll everyone you meet - KuroVolt
Utremi Fasolasi
La Dolce Vita
#38 - 2012-06-24 18:53:59 UTC
Mortimer Civeri wrote:
Is your internet spaceship game breading Bolsheviks?.


Chicken fried Bolsheviks? Bolshevik tempura? Bolshevik parmesan?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#39 - 2012-06-24 19:07:07 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
edit: Err, hospitals keep records. It would have to be a home birth.

Records can be falsified, constructed, removed or ... sealed by executive order.

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Henry Haphorn
Killer Yankee
#40 - 2012-06-24 19:09:19 UTC
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WHAT?!

Adapt or Die
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