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Goons 4x4ing through the Sandbox - Market Manipulation on a Grand Scale

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Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#1021 - 2012-06-22 12:21:06 UTC
Khanh'rhh wrote:
Why am I not surprised to find Jade in this thread, 51 pages on, trying everything he can to paint GSF in a bad light?


You should have seen Jade in the first few pages. He was quite thankful to Goons for helping him make his 8.7 billion isk off this.

[b]Don't worry about posting with your main!  Post with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."[/b]
Bagehi
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1022 - 2012-06-22 12:21:17 UTC
Khanh'rhh wrote:
Why am I not surprised to find Jade in this thread, 51 pages on, trying everything he can to paint GSF in a bad light?


The really funny thing is that what Goons did directly benefited Jade. It is really difficult for someone in the Minmatar militia (during the time period goons were running this) to demand a rollback of what Goons made through this scheme, since a true rollback would impact them negatively as well.
Karadion Kohlar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1023 - 2012-06-22 12:21:23 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
Lapine Davion wrote:

http://www.logitech.com/en-us/keyboards/keyboards/g19-keyboard-for-gaming

"3. You may not use stored rapid keystrokes that facilitate acquisition of items at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play"

I'd return my keyboard to Best Buy, but it's outside of the return policy. What should I do so I don't get banned for owning a $200 keyboard?


Well you could say that using your $200 keyboard in certain ways is quite okay, but admitting to using it to make 20,000 keypresses in a half dozen hours of automatic "click button get loot" action isn't okay. That really does fall directly into the Eula clause quoted above. I mean lets be honest, it really does - you'd need a pretty top lawyer to argue your way out of that conviction.

Conviction? LOL. We got ourselves an internet lawyer here. Alert the CCP Bar Association!
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#1024 - 2012-06-22 12:21:25 UTC
Bagehi wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
Vokanic wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
Vile rat wrote:
Also let me be perfectly blunt here. There was no bug abuse. They made the economy for faction war and they set the parameters. Everything that was done occured within the realm of legal game mechanics even if that wasn't the intention of the dev that coded this. As has been explained blapping frigates with titans wasn't intended either but was considered a legal, if abusive method of using game mechanics.


You could argure that having the value of the loot that dropped from the freighters available to process again whilst nonetheless counting in the isk value "destroyed" for LP was an abuse of a bug Vile Vat.



You could argue that if Goons get Sreeg'd, you're next in line.


Well hardly, I (and the rest of the Minmatar Militia) made our LP quite legally. You could say we benefitted from the tier 5 loyalty point store (and we did) but it would be quite easy to deduct the 6m loyalty points from any sum reclaimed from goons to justify that saturday's levels. It is after all, a tiny drop in the ocean.


Soooo... if CCP were to revert everything the goons did... does this mean AMARR VICTOR!?!?!


Hardly, because it wouldn't revert the system ownership and goons had precisely nothing to do with actually playing the territorial conquest aspect of FW. At worst it would lead to reduction in tiers in the warzone control that Minmatar players would need to put right with a collective 60 man hours of effort across the milita ... tbh, I can put in my two hours later on :) another 29 pilots and we're golden.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Kyle Ward
Doomheim
#1025 - 2012-06-22 12:22:40 UTC
If only I had thought of exploiting, I too, could be spacerich...

The Sandbox, you're playing it wrong!
Mabego Tetrimon
Spiritus Draconis
#1026 - 2012-06-22 12:22:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Mabego Tetrimon
Jade Constantine wrote:
Lapine Davion wrote:

http://www.logitech.com/en-us/keyboards/keyboards/g19-keyboard-for-gaming

"3. You may not use stored rapid keystrokes that facilitate acquisition of items at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play"

I'd return my keyboard to Best Buy, but it's outside of the return policy. What should I do so I don't get banned for owning a $200 keyboard?


Well you could say that using your $200 keyboard in certain ways is quite okay, but admitting to using it to make 20,000 keypresses in a half dozen hours of automatic "click button get loot" action isn't okay. That really does fall directly into the Eula clause quoted above. I mean lets be honest, it really does - you'd need a pretty top lawyer to argue your way out of that conviction.


actually no goon has admitted to have used the macros to get all the LP-stuff, yet, but well CCP has the logs....

PS: and for reference its more like ~200.000 keypresses, if you do it the regular way
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
#1027 - 2012-06-22 12:22:51 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Talon SilverHawk wrote:
How would I know why you wanted ti distance yourself?

How would I know why you wanted to dance around in a unicorn dress?



Who told Shocked


Tal

Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#1028 - 2012-06-22 12:23:17 UTC
Khanh'rhh wrote:
Why am I not surprised to find Jade in this thread, 51 pages on, trying everything he can to paint GSF in a bad light?


I'm really not, I'm trying to be pretty fair, if you can't see that then pfft, sorry mate you really are like that dude at the end of apocalypse now.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
#1029 - 2012-06-22 12:24:10 UTC
Lapine Davion wrote:
Talon SilverHawk wrote:
Karadion Kohlar wrote:
Talon SilverHawk wrote:


That's it? That's your whole argument? You are still avoiding the question. Why should we separate our self from those 5? I'm sure you can answer the question, blubbering baby.


LOL at you Big smile


Tal , is that it, you'll be complaining about my sig next

Tal
Big smile

I havent got a good argument so I'll start with the very weak personal attacks to try and make him mad Cry



I may or may not have a mental disorder that makes me see and read things that aren't there.

Tal



I love you and want your babies Tal.


We could Lol
Pisov viet
Perkone
Caldari State
#1030 - 2012-06-22 12:26:19 UTC
Quote:
That really is double counting and is creating (if not isk) then loyalty points that can be turned into isk (from thin air.)

Would you kindly understand the game mechanism before posting?
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#1031 - 2012-06-22 12:26:29 UTC
Talon SilverHawk wrote:
Lapine Davion wrote:
Talon SilverHawk wrote:
Karadion Kohlar wrote:
Talon SilverHawk wrote:


That's it? That's your whole argument? You are still avoiding the question. Why should we separate our self from those 5? I'm sure you can answer the question, blubbering baby.


LOL at you Big smile


Tal , is that it, you'll be complaining about my sig next

Tal
Big smile

I havent got a good argument so I'll start with the very weak personal attacks to try and make him mad Cry



I may or may not have a mental disorder that makes me see and read things that aren't there.

Tal



I love you and want your babies Tal.


We could Lol


So your argument is dead then? Were you just ~*tHe PuPpEtMaStAh*~ the whole time?

[b]Don't worry about posting with your main!  Post with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."[/b]
Vokanic
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#1032 - 2012-06-22 12:27:47 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
Lapine Davion wrote:

http://www.logitech.com/en-us/keyboards/keyboards/g19-keyboard-for-gaming

"3. You may not use stored rapid keystrokes that facilitate acquisition of items at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play"

I'd return my keyboard to Best Buy, but it's outside of the return policy. What should I do so I don't get banned for owning a $200 keyboard?


Well you could say that using your $200 keyboard in certain ways is quite okay, but admitting to using it to make 20,000 keypresses in a half dozen hours of automatic "click button get loot" action isn't okay. That really does fall directly into the Eula clause quoted above. I mean lets be honest, it really does - you'd need a pretty top lawyer to argue your way out of that conviction.


How did it accelerate acquisition? A person wants to buy 100 implants, at once, from the LP store. They have the LP to do so.
The limitations of the system prevent them from doing so.

End of the day, the LP wasn't acquired via macros. they got the same amount regardless if they use them or not. Unless you'd like to argue that waiting for market transactions to process is 'game play'
Mabego Tetrimon
Spiritus Draconis
#1033 - 2012-06-22 12:28:33 UTC
Lapine Davion wrote:

Really?

The point of my post was to say that buying a keyboard isn't against the EULA, nor is using the features of that keyboard.


REALLY? i suggest you read the Eula before you log on next time.

"3. You may not use stored rapid keystrokes that facilitate acquisition of items at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play" (left out additional things, to help you straight it out.
Kyle Ward
Doomheim
#1034 - 2012-06-22 12:29:35 UTC
This thread is now about keyboards!

The Sandbox, you're playing it wrong!
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1035 - 2012-06-22 12:29:47 UTC
Mabego Tetrimon wrote:
Lapine Davion wrote:

Really?

The point of my post was to say that buying a keyboard isn't against the EULA, nor is using the features of that keyboard.


REALLY? i suggest you read the Eula before you log on next time.

"3. You may not use stored rapid keystrokes that facilitate acquisition of items at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play" (left out additional things, to help you straight it out.


i guess everyone who ever used their G15s to activate all of their guns before weapon grouping was introduced should all get immediate permabans

fess up

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Mabego Tetrimon
Spiritus Draconis
#1036 - 2012-06-22 12:30:19 UTC
Vokanic wrote:

How did it accelerate acquisition? A person wants to buy 100 implants, at once, from the LP store. They have the LP to do so.
The limitations of the system prevent them from doing so.

End of the day, the LP wasn't acquired via macros. they got the same amount regardless if they use them or not. Unless you'd like to argue that waiting for market transactions to process is 'game play'


i see a BIG difference between using 14 hours of clicking time by hand (as it should be by ordinary game play) and like dk 5 minutes of using a Macro. You Sir not?
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#1037 - 2012-06-22 12:30:27 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
Khanh'rhh wrote:
Why am I not surprised to find Jade in this thread, 51 pages on, trying everything he can to paint GSF in a bad light?


I'm really not, I'm trying to be pretty fair, if you can't see that then pfft, sorry mate you really are like that dude at the end of apocalypse now.

So, care to tell us more about how we can convert LPs directly into ISK?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Vokanic
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#1038 - 2012-06-22 12:30:59 UTC
Mabego Tetrimon wrote:
Lapine Davion wrote:

Really?

The point of my post was to say that buying a keyboard isn't against the EULA, nor is using the features of that keyboard.


REALLY? i suggest you read the Eula before you log on next time.

"3. You may not use stored rapid keystrokes that facilitate acquisition of items at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play" (left out additional things, to help you straight it out.



How does a macro help them get more LP?? Since when did buying stuff from the LP market become a skill based on how fast you can click through the UI because you cant purchase more then 1 at once?
Amarr Ian
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#1039 - 2012-06-22 12:32:07 UTC
Aryth writes a WALL OF TEXT braging while stroking his ePeen, and losses all the isk he's made awsome.
Kmelx
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1040 - 2012-06-22 12:33:04 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
Lapine Davion wrote:

http://www.logitech.com/en-us/keyboards/keyboards/g19-keyboard-for-gaming

"3. You may not use stored rapid keystrokes that facilitate acquisition of items at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play"

I'd return my keyboard to Best Buy, but it's outside of the return policy. What should I do so I don't get banned for owning a $200 keyboard?


Well you could say that using your $200 keyboard in certain ways is quite okay, but admitting to using it to make 20,000 keypresses in a half dozen hours of automatic "click button get loot" action isn't okay. That really does fall directly into the Eula clause quoted above. I mean lets be honest, it really does - you'd need a pretty top lawyer to argue your way out of that conviction.


If CCP coded Loyalty Point stores in a way that actually worked, by allowing you to select a box and to select the number of items you want then the keyboard would not be necessary. It's difficult to criticise them for using macros via a keyboard when the LP store is so badly designed and could be so easily fixed by CCP.