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How is EVE so very different from other MMOs? (Question from former Wow player)
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Rico Minali
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2012-06-22 09:46:56 UTC
In Eve the universe is shaped by players not the company. PVP in Eve is risky, you actually lose everythign you worked for when you lose a fight.

I play Eve over any other MMO for exactly those reasons and nothing else, PVP where you just respawn with all your stuff doesnt interest me at all, I feel no thrill fighting other players when there is nothign at stake. That to me is what makes Eve.

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.
Xhaiden Ora
Doomheim
#22 - 2012-06-22 09:48:15 UTC
Sarah Schneider wrote:
6. Eve is HUGE, the environment and the possibilities of what you can do. I've played a lot of different MMOs for more than a decade and i haven't seen any MMO as big as Eve.


Ehhh...EVE is "huge" because, well, space. I would not say its "bigger" than other MMOs so much as it has a highly skewed ratio of empty unused gameplay area vs utilized gameplay area. It's easy to be "huge" when 99% of the available gameplay space is quite literally empty.
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#23 - 2012-06-22 09:53:20 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
To repeat what others have already posted, EVE is a more of a game world where players are merely granted access to tools, and are free to invent their own game, as opposed to the more structured world of most other MMOs which are usually elaborately constructed on a model that feeds on the players' desire for (virtual) material gratification. Don't get me wrong, you can make it your goal to fly the shiniest ship in the game, but you could just as easily make your goal anything else.

To achieve these goals, whatever they are, you'll need resources to make it happen. Some, like veldspar, are plentiful in every system. Others like morphite and tech 3 components can only be found in the deepest reaches of lawless space and beyond. Generally speaking, the rarer a resource is, the more likely you're going to have to be prepared to actively secure the space and defend yourself against hostile players either laying claim to the space or just to kill you because they can. This will very likely require teamwork with multiple players playing multiple roles. The conflict fueled over the pursuit of these things, from basic shipbuiliding minerals to market PVP to moons being mined by starbases that generate the content for players in EVE, not scripted missions.


One of the most important resources is friends. There is a lot that you can do solo, but a good corporation of good people can make or break your experience in Eve.

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Serena Serene
Heretic University
#24 - 2012-06-22 10:08:41 UTC
Xhaiden Ora wrote:
Sarah Schneider wrote:
6. Eve is HUGE, the environment and the possibilities of what you can do. I've played a lot of different MMOs for more than a decade and i haven't seen any MMO as big as Eve.


Ehhh...EVE is "huge" because, well, space. I would not say its "bigger" than other MMOs so much as it has a highly skewed ratio of empty unused gameplay area vs utilized gameplay area. It's easy to be "huge" when 99% of the available gameplay space is quite literally empty.


It's also huge in a sense that in most other MMOs you'll have seen basically the whole gameworld, maybe safe some high-end dungeons or some hidden places, by the time you reach max level. Which is really short time in newer MMOs.

In eve you can't travel to the other side of the world/galaxy within 5-10 minutes, and most players probably will never see even a tenth of the eve universe. It's not meant to be a world where you visit every corner eventually.

That's one of the big differences between eve and other MMOs, for me at least.
It just feels so much larger this way.
Jax Bederen
Dark Horse RM
#25 - 2012-06-22 10:15:42 UTC
Alpheias wrote:
Jax Bederen wrote:
The Eve is perfect, defense force arrives.


How is picking apart your nonsensical argument about players turning into a EVE defense force?


You mean that the game has a higher then average amount of poorly socialized individuals? No, that is correct. WoW may have quite a few immature types as children play, this game however has a good size support group for the socially inept, they are not immature just simply malicious. The best community by contrast to me was the old Anarchy online. Still like this game as is, but that little "community" I mentioned stands out far more then in other games.
Ra Jackson
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2012-06-22 10:26:31 UTC
Jax Bederen wrote:
You mean that the game has a higher then average amount of poorly socialized individuals? No, that is correct.


Because you say so?
People that scam in a game are poorly socialized in RL. Come on, seriously? I'd rather say that, because EVE is so centered around the multiplayer aspect, scamming actually has consequences, so there is obviously more of it than in other PVE grindfest "MMOs".
Rudgier Thorrin
Noob Constructions LTD
#27 - 2012-06-22 10:26:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Rudgier Thorrin
I'd say the the biggest difference is that EVE is difficult. Not because the NPCs are had to kill (because they're laughable usually) or because the world/scripted events are set up to slow you down. It's because there are people out there who will go miles out of their way to screw you over, for no other gain than a few laughs. The playerbase makes it hard and that's what is different - you have to be on your guard all the time, since EVE has no safe, PVP-free zones - if you're in space, you can be killed in a multitude of ways as soon as you make a mistake. And when you do, it usually hurts a lot, hence the "don't fly what you can't afford to loose" motto. All the more satisfying to succeed it here (however you define success).

Also, how come this was not posted yet?
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Implying I need a signature
Jax Bederen
Dark Horse RM
#28 - 2012-06-22 10:56:17 UTC
Ra Jackson wrote:
Jax Bederen wrote:
You mean that the game has a higher then average amount of poorly socialized individuals? No, that is correct.


Because you say so?
People that scam in a game are poorly socialized in RL. Come on, seriously? I'd rather say that, because EVE is so centered around the multiplayer aspect, scamming actually has consequences, so there is obviously more of it than in other PVE grindfest "MMOs".


Actually it attracts those types as it has little consequence, what would you do? put a bounty on someone? Worse case, roll an alt, transfer funds call it a day, better to keep bounty for bragging rights though. Scamming is scamming, in the end you know you peed in someones corn flakes, if you like that, you are not all there socially. Scammers are just one group however, I've seen some mind boggling behavior in the game, almost a desperation to get a reaction and attention. Looking forward to low sec though, hopefully without any drama.
Desert Ice78
Gryphons of the Western Wind
#29 - 2012-06-22 10:57:45 UTC
To condence what is being said:

Other MMO's hold your hand, wipe your nose, and dry your eyes when your sand castle falls over.

Eve stops on your sand castle, kicks the sand in your face, and laughs at your tears.

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Alain Kinsella
#30 - 2012-06-22 11:03:36 UTC
Xhaiden Ora wrote:
Alain Kinsella wrote:
Careful, NeX (to some degree) does qualify as something like this. It's one of many reasons folks got unhappy over it.

Eh, not really. Pants provide you utterly no benefit in EVE in any way shape or form save making your ass look nice in the mirror.

Though I'm a bit disturbed that there are people in the game that are upset they can't blow up each other's pants....


I actually agree, just warning that some do care. I support most of them anyway because I see their vision of Eve from my perspective of Uru and SL (so long as things don't go too far).

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Alexzandvar Douglass
Motiveless Malignity
Deepwater Hooligans
#31 - 2012-06-22 11:07:40 UTC
I play World of Warcraft, I am a 25 man heroic raider, and to be frank, all I enjoy the game for all that much is the Lore and Raiding.

EVE and WoW are so different it's like comparing Pineapples to Jet fuel.
Josef Djugashvilis
#32 - 2012-06-22 11:13:15 UTC
Try to see Eve as a game of opportunities.

Whether or not you take them is entirely up to you.

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Celeste Taylor
Ruby Dynasty
#33 - 2012-06-22 11:16:19 UTC
Natasha Fatality wrote:
Hi fellow citizens of New Eden :)

I used to play WoW, that's really the only other MMO I've ever played.. well, except for a brief foray into the failsauce that was The Matrix Online. And then some Guild Wars whilst trying to kick my WoW addiction. I wonder, does DC Universe Online count as a legit MMO? Meh...

Anyway, I've have heard that this game isn't really like WoW or any other MMOs out there for that matter. I'm confused as to how it's so very different. Is it because it's in space? I mean there was a Star Trek MMO, right? You got to fly a spaceship, do quests and stuff. You got to walk around in your spaceship. There was a Star Wars MMO, right? Clearly it isn't space that really sets this game apart.

I don't really get what it is about EVE that makes it so vastly different from other MMOs. Maybe I'm not familiar enough with MMOs to understand the difference. Enlighten me?


I consider all of those games you listed as MMORPGs and have more in common with Bioware, Bethesda, etc. non online games than with EVE. Being a big 80s gamer I have always equated EVE with the Sid Meier Microprose era games like Pirates and Colonization mixed with Elite. Sid Meiers Pirates, now that would make a great MMO. There is a bit of those sandbox Maxis games feel also thrown in the mix especially if the WiS stuff ever takes off. What other MMOs can you be a pacifist (even amongst NPCs) whose hobbies includes shopping for clothes?
Xhaiden Ora
Doomheim
#34 - 2012-06-22 11:35:17 UTC
Serena Serene wrote:
In eve you can't travel to the other side of the world/galaxy within 5-10 minutes, and most players probably will never see even a tenth of the eve universe. It's not meant to be a world where you visit every corner eventually.

That's one of the big differences between eve and other MMOs, for me at least.
It just feels so much larger this way.


It does give a good feeling of scale. Its just that comparatively speaking its very easy for CCP to generate scale when you're dealing with a literal empty void where most of the available space is completely unused by assets and players alike. If you compress EVE down to the actual amount of space that's really actively seen and used its much much much smaller.

With another MMO you can define one region from another visually because those regions exist as terrain and assets. With EVE the only visual difference between any given area doesn't generally amount to much more than "What nebula is in the background?".

Rudgier Thorrin
Noob Constructions LTD
#35 - 2012-06-22 11:58:48 UTC
Xhaiden Ora wrote:
Though I'm a bit disturbed that there are people in the game that are upset they can't blow up each other's pants....


I've seen a few avatars in game whose pants I'd like to blow up Twisted

Implying I need a signature
Xhaiden Ora
Doomheim
#36 - 2012-06-22 12:16:47 UTC
Rudgier Thorrin wrote:
Xhaiden Ora wrote:
Though I'm a bit disturbed that there are people in the game that are upset they can't blow up each other's pants....


I've seen a few avatars in game whose pants I'd like to blow up Twisted


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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#37 - 2012-06-22 12:25:39 UTC
Other MMOs = Disneyland, Eve = Zombieland in terms of risk to your assets and character

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Breezly Brewin
Vril Metaphysics Society
#38 - 2012-06-22 12:34:14 UTC
here are some major differences between wow, being an eve player that still has no disrespect for wow,(just much of the playerbase)

1. in wow you can max out your character in a matter of days, in eve there is no such thing as a maxed out character.
2. save for getting your guild together to camp the other factions AH for a bit, you can't own any part of wow. in eve your corporation can hold large swaths of the universe, if you so choose and are successful.
3. getting ganked in wow is a ghost walk from the graveyard, in eve you can lose billions of isk and even skillpoints.
4. wow has dozens of dead servers, eve only has 1 server for the entire world (except the test server) which gives the game a unique sense of diversity.
5. i have yet to play any game in the same league of wow or eve that lets you pay the subscription fee WITH IN GAME CURRENCY... this in itself makes both the game currency feel like real money and also makes the losses hurt a lot more...
Alexzandvar Douglass
Motiveless Malignity
Deepwater Hooligans
#39 - 2012-06-22 12:38:28 UTC
Breezly Brewin wrote:
here are some major differences between wow, being an eve player that still has no disrespect for wow,(just much of the playerbase)

1. in wow you can max out your character in a matter of days, in eve there is no such thing as a maxed out character.
2. save for getting your guild together to camp the other factions AH for a bit, you can't own any part of wow. in eve your corporation can hold large swaths of the universe, if you so choose and are successful.
3. getting ganked in wow is a ghost walk from the graveyard, in eve you can lose billions of isk and even skillpoints.
4. wow has dozens of dead servers, eve only has 1 server for the entire world (except the test server) which gives the game a unique sense of diversity.
5. i have yet to play any game in the same league of wow or eve that lets you pay the subscription fee WITH IN GAME CURRENCY... this in itself makes both the game currency feel like real money and also makes the losses hurt a lot more...


And here I thought that all EVE players are 1: Smartest People EVA 2: All Mature Cool

The Player base of EVE is 1,000 times worse than WoW's, but thats the nature of the game, Space Capitalism the MMO. When your make a game around screwing other people then thats what your going to get.Lol
pussnheels
Viziam
#40 - 2012-06-22 12:49:08 UTC
Rudgier Thorrin wrote:
I'd say the the biggest difference is that EVE is difficult. Not because the NPCs are had to kill (because they're laughable usually) or because the world/scripted events are set up to slow you down. It's because there are people out there who will go miles out of their way to screw you over, for no other gain than a few laughs. The playerbase makes it hard and that's what is different - you have to be on your guard all the time, since EVE has no safe, PVP-free zones - if you're in space, you can be killed in a multitude of ways as soon as you make a mistake. And when you do, it usually hurts a lot, hence the "don't fly what you can't afford to loose" motto. All the more satisfying to succeed it here (however you define success).

Also, how come this was not posted yet?
>>CLICK<<
Actually that learbing curve isn t so bad if you find the right corp with the right people , there is just so much

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