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Goons 4x4ing through the Sandbox - Market Manipulation on a Grand Scale

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TomHorn
Horn Brothers Holdings Inc.
#1001 - 2012-06-22 12:10:23 UTC
I for one bow down to our Goonie Overlords. Im just fuzzy little bear.

Nice hiest , enjoyed the right up.

Now lets all get back to our day jobs.
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#1002 - 2012-06-22 12:10:38 UTC
Mabego Tetrimon wrote:
Blawrf McTaggart wrote:
Mabego Tetrimon wrote:


Well i gratulate you on 14 Hours of mindless clicking in the FW-LP-Store.....if nothinmg else, thats an abuse of your mouse-finger for sure!




http://www.logitech.com/en-us/keyboards/keyboards/g19-keyboard-for-gaming



well, Eula break again guy:

"3. You may not use stored rapid keystrokes that facilitate acquisition of items at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play"




I do have a recollection that CCP specifically said that G15-19 whatever keyboards don't break the eula on macros previously - but I also agree this is a probably a pretty significant edge case ... because yep, by the wording of that part of the eula its precisley what happened.

Interesting to see what the judgement will be on that really - I have no idea.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Wyle E Coyote
ACME WH INC.
#1003 - 2012-06-22 12:11:08 UTC
As much as i may get a good chuckle out of this **** war( i say d i c k cuz they won't let me use( p e n i s) lmao).. (players whackin each other with dildos like pillows)
There seems to be one flaw in all design that everyone dances around but no one dare touch: it's not an exploit if it's in your favor.. am i correct?

Here let me spell it out for you neophytes - An exploit (from the verb to exploit, in the meaning of using something to one’s own advantage) is a piece of software, a chunk of data, or sequence of commands that takes advantage of a bug, glitch or vulnerability in order to cause unintended or unanticipated behaviour to occur on computer software, hardware, or something electronic (usually computerised). This frequently includes such things as gaining control of a computer system or allowing privilege escalation or a denial-of-service attack.

Heaven help us all if this kind of idealogy crosses over into RL ... oh wait it already has.
And Goons.. stop riding your own dicks it's never flattering to see.

"When the world is consumed of all its living you will consume each other and if you are the only one playing the game left alone in cold deep space it is you yourself you have to blame."
Karadion Kohlar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1004 - 2012-06-22 12:11:17 UTC
Talon SilverHawk wrote:


That's it? That's your whole argument? You are still avoiding the question. Why should we separate our self from those 5? I'm sure you can answer the question, blubbering baby.


LOL at you Big smile


Blubbering baby, is that it, you'll be complaining about my sig next

Blubbering baby
Big smile

I don't have signature turned on. You still haven't answered the question, blubbering baby.
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#1005 - 2012-06-22 12:12:18 UTC
Mabego Tetrimon wrote:
Lapine Davion wrote:
Mabego Tetrimon wrote:
Blawrf McTaggart wrote:
Mabego Tetrimon wrote:


Well i gratulate you on 14 Hours of mindless clicking in the FW-LP-Store.....if nothinmg else, thats an abuse of your mouse-finger for sure!




http://www.logitech.com/en-us/keyboards/keyboards/g19-keyboard-for-gaming



well, Eula break again guy:

"3. You may not use stored rapid keystrokes that facilitate acquisition of items at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play"



Confirming that buying a $200 keyboard is against the EULA.


if you cant get the meaning, well shut up ;9


I'd return my keyboard to Best Buy, but it's outside of the return policy. What should I do so I don't get banned for owning a $200 keyboard?

[b]Don't worry about posting with your main!  Post with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."[/b]
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#1006 - 2012-06-22 12:12:47 UTC
Aareya wrote:
Tallian Saotome wrote:
THERE WAS NO BUG. Just a poorly thought out formula, which was pointed out by multiple people many times prior to going live. CCP knew it was there, or is still ignoring the userbase(which they claim to have learned not to do).


This deserves emphasis.


It really doesn't because there was clearly a bug in the initial double-counting of LP for "destruction" even when parts of the loot dropped. This WAS A BUG. People really need to read a little more closely.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Bagehi
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1007 - 2012-06-22 12:13:00 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
Vokanic wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
Vile rat wrote:
Also let me be perfectly blunt here. There was no bug abuse. They made the economy for faction war and they set the parameters. Everything that was done occured within the realm of legal game mechanics even if that wasn't the intention of the dev that coded this. As has been explained blapping frigates with titans wasn't intended either but was considered a legal, if abusive method of using game mechanics.


You could argure that having the value of the loot that dropped from the freighters available to process again whilst nonetheless counting in the isk value "destroyed" for LP was an abuse of a bug Vile Vat.



You could argue that if Goons get Sreeg'd, you're next in line.


Well hardly, I (and the rest of the Minmatar Militia) made our LP quite legally. You could say we benefitted from the tier 5 loyalty point store (and we did) but it would be quite easy to deduct the 6m loyalty points from any sum reclaimed from goons to justify that saturday's levels. It is after all, a tiny drop in the ocean.


Soooo... if CCP were to revert everything the goons did... does this mean AMARR VICTOR!?!?!
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
#1008 - 2012-06-22 12:13:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Talon SilverHawk
Richard Desturned wrote:
Talon SilverHawk wrote:
Actually the ones getting upset are you, getting hostile, changing sigs, I mean really.

Thread started "we" are goons "we" are leet look what we have done, thread ended , nuffin to do with us guv, nuffin I tell you. twas them that dun it.


amazing how you haven't responded to my question

why would we need to distance ourselves?


You guys need to answer that yourselves really, I believe you where the one that said it this thread that its not a Goon thing it was those 5 guys ?

How would I know why you wanted to distance yourself ?

Tal
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#1009 - 2012-06-22 12:13:23 UTC
bunch of carebears... that crap's industry ;)

There is no Bob.

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Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1010 - 2012-06-22 12:14:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Richard Desturned
Talon SilverHawk wrote:
How would I know why you wanted ti distance yourself ?


because any person capable of independent thought could see why we wouldn't need to

and i pointed out exactly why we wouldn't need to distance ourselves from it

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#1011 - 2012-06-22 12:15:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Lapine Davion
Talon SilverHawk wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
Talon SilverHawk wrote:
Actually the ones getting upset are you, getting hostile, changing sigs, I mean really.

Thread started "we" are goons "we" are leet look what we have done, thread ended , nuffin to do with us guv, nuffin I tell you. twas them that dun it.


amazing how you haven't responded to my question

why would we need to distance ourselves?


You guys need to answer that yourselves really, I believe you where the one that said it this thread that its not a Goon thing it was those 5 guys ?

How would I know why you wanted ti distance yourself ?

Tal






That's not really how it works. You need to explain how and why they are distancing themselves.

See, you need to explain why you think that way because you were the one who said they were. That is how it works.

[b]Don't worry about posting with your main!  Post with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."[/b]
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
#1012 - 2012-06-22 12:15:09 UTC
Karadion Kohlar wrote:
Talon SilverHawk wrote:


That's it? That's your whole argument? You are still avoiding the question. Why should we separate our self from those 5? I'm sure you can answer the question, blubbering baby.


LOL at you Big smile


Tal , is that it, you'll be complaining about my sig next

Tal
Big smile

I havent got a good argument so I'll start with the very weak personal attacks to try and make him mad Cry



Fixed

Tal


Mabego Tetrimon
Spiritus Draconis
#1013 - 2012-06-22 12:16:26 UTC
Lapine Davion wrote:

I'd return my keyboard to Best Buy, but it's outside of the return policy. What should I do so I don't get banned for owning a $200 keyboard?

i am really sorry for you and your keyboars, really man....but wtf, play another game then.
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#1014 - 2012-06-22 12:16:48 UTC
Talon SilverHawk wrote:
Karadion Kohlar wrote:
Talon SilverHawk wrote:


That's it? That's your whole argument? You are still avoiding the question. Why should we separate our self from those 5? I'm sure you can answer the question, blubbering baby.


LOL at you Big smile


Tal , is that it, you'll be complaining about my sig next

Tal
Big smile

I havent got a good argument so I'll start with the very weak personal attacks to try and make him mad Cry



I may or may not have a mental disorder that makes me see and read things that aren't there.

Tal



We can do this all day Tal.

[b]Don't worry about posting with your main!  Post with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."[/b]
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#1015 - 2012-06-22 12:16:49 UTC
Why am I not surprised to find Jade in this thread, 51 pages on, trying everything he can to paint GSF in a bad light?

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1016 - 2012-06-22 12:16:57 UTC
"well gee that richard guy just shot down the only argument I had as to why GS would need to distance themselves from this situation, i guess the reason they would need to distance themselves is entirely beyond me, but I am sure those damn goonies are distancing themselves!!!!!"

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Karadion Kohlar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1017 - 2012-06-22 12:17:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Karadion Kohlar
Talon SilverHawk wrote:

Fixed

blubbering baby


I don't get it? You're quite the aspy, are you? Have you seen a shrink lately? Now, we do not need to seperate ourselves from those 5 guys. In fact, we're glad that they exposed this flaw in CCP's design. Therefore your argument is invalid.
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#1018 - 2012-06-22 12:17:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Jade Constantine
Lapine Davion wrote:

http://www.logitech.com/en-us/keyboards/keyboards/g19-keyboard-for-gaming

"3. You may not use stored rapid keystrokes that facilitate acquisition of items at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play"

I'd return my keyboard to Best Buy, but it's outside of the return policy. What should I do so I don't get banned for owning a $200 keyboard?


Well you could say that using your $200 keyboard in certain ways is quite okay, but admitting to using it to make 20,000 keypresses in a half dozen hours of automatic "click button get loot" action isn't okay. That really does fall directly into the Eula clause quoted above. I mean lets be honest, it really does - you'd need a pretty top lawyer to argue your way out of that conviction.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#1019 - 2012-06-22 12:18:31 UTC
Talon SilverHawk wrote:
How would I know why you wanted ti distance yourself?

How would I know why you wanted to dance around in a unicorn dress?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#1020 - 2012-06-22 12:19:48 UTC
Mabego Tetrimon wrote:
Lapine Davion wrote:

I'd return my keyboard to Best Buy, but it's outside of the return policy. What should I do so I don't get banned for owning a $200 keyboard?

i am really sorry for you and your keyboars, really man....but wtf, play another game then.

Really?

The point of my post was to say that buying a keyboard isn't against the EULA, nor is using the features of that keyboard. CCP made it a thing to say that they don't consider using the macro keyboards to be against the rules, specifically because Blizzard made a huge deal out of it and banned a whole bunch of people who used them.

[b]Don't worry about posting with your main!  Post with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."[/b]