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Goons 4x4ing through the Sandbox - Market Manipulation on a Grand Scale

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BillNye TheCynoGuy
Doomheim
#981 - 2012-06-22 12:02:26 UTC
BILL BILL BILL BILL BILL BILL BILL BILL BILL BILL BILL BILL BILL BILL
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#982 - 2012-06-22 12:03:08 UTC
Lapine Davion wrote:
What upset Goons? What are you talking about? You sound like a crazy person.

It's the age-old "you're mad, aren't you?" "no, I'm not." "yes, you so are. just look at you." "no, I'm not mad." "yeeeees you are, oh yes you are. you're so utterly mad." "sigh. go away please." "mad mad mad mad. you're mad. you're mad. you're mad." *punch in the face* "see? I told you you were mad." technique.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
#983 - 2012-06-22 12:03:33 UTC
Karadion Kohlar wrote:
Talon SilverHawk wrote:
Karadion Kohlar wrote:
Talon SilverHawk wrote:

So the answer is yes distancing yourselves now Twisted

Amazing Guy

Because?


Upset Goons are the best Goons Lol

Amazing Guy

The only one I see upset is you. So what was your point again in the first place? Why should we have to distance ourself from those 5 guys? In fact, we're glad that they discovered this huge flaw since CCP can't design for crap anyways.


Actually the ones getting upset are you, getting hostile, changing sigs, I mean really.

Thread started "we" are goons "we" are leet look what we have done, thread ended , nuffin to do with us guv, nuffin I tell you. twas them that dun it.

Funny

Tal


Mabego Tetrimon
Spiritus Draconis
#984 - 2012-06-22 12:03:44 UTC
Blawrf McTaggart wrote:
Mabego Tetrimon wrote:


Well i gratulate you on 14 Hours of mindless clicking in the FW-LP-Store.....if nothinmg else, thats an abuse of your mouse-finger for sure!




http://www.logitech.com/en-us/keyboards/keyboards/g19-keyboard-for-gaming



well, Eula break again guy:

"3. You may not use stored rapid keystrokes that facilitate acquisition of items at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play"
Aareya
Backwater Redux
Tactical Narcotics Team
#985 - 2012-06-22 12:03:50 UTC
Tallian Saotome wrote:
THERE WAS NO BUG. Just a poorly thought out formula, which was pointed out by multiple people many times prior to going live. CCP knew it was there, or is still ignoring the userbase(which they claim to have learned not to do).


This deserves emphasis.

Twitter:   @AareyaEVE
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#986 - 2012-06-22 12:04:37 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
Rudgier Thorrin wrote:
Gun Gal wrote:
No matter how you cut it, finding a bug, not reporting it, and exploiting it is wrong.

It would be a bug if they could create ISK from thin air.


Initially that is exactly what was happening though ...

To repeat. When you kill a ship in faction warfare (belonging to the enemy faction) you get loyalty points awarded equal to the value of the ship + cargo. These freighters that were being killed on alts were awarding loyalty point payouts (for the kill) that also counted in the cargo that had dropped in space (and thus could be added to a future kill and payout). That really is double counting and is creating (if not isk) then loyalty points that can be turned into isk (from thin air.)

That (as I understand it) was the bug that got fixed early, but I didn't see any note in the op post suggesting that LP has been removed from the game - its even referred to as "seed" (or foundation) LP for the continuing scheme.

Tell me more about how I can turn LP directly into ISK.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
#987 - 2012-06-22 12:04:47 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Talon SilverHawk wrote:
Upset Goons are the best Goons Lol

Ah, I see. The "u mad!" troll.

Truly scraping the bottom of the troll barrel.


I know but its lunch and I'm bored, and hey the kettles cant call the pot black .....


Tal


Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#988 - 2012-06-22 12:05:45 UTC
Vokanic wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
Vile rat wrote:
Also let me be perfectly blunt here. There was no bug abuse. They made the economy for faction war and they set the parameters. Everything that was done occured within the realm of legal game mechanics even if that wasn't the intention of the dev that coded this. As has been explained blapping frigates with titans wasn't intended either but was considered a legal, if abusive method of using game mechanics.


You could argure that having the value of the loot that dropped from the freighters available to process again whilst nonetheless counting in the isk value "destroyed" for LP was an abuse of a bug Vile Vat.



You could argue that if Goons get Sreeg'd, you're next in line.


Well hardly, I (and the rest of the Minmatar Militia) made our LP quite legally. You could say we benefitted from the tier 5 loyalty point store (and we did) but it would be quite easy to deduct the 6m loyalty points from any sum reclaimed from goons to justify that saturday's levels. It is after all, a tiny drop in the ocean.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Karadion Kohlar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#989 - 2012-06-22 12:06:14 UTC
Talon SilverHawk wrote:
Karadion Kohlar wrote:
Talon SilverHawk wrote:
Karadion Kohlar wrote:
Talon SilverHawk wrote:

So the answer is yes distancing yourselves now Twisted

Blubbering baby

Because?


Upset Goons are the best Goons Lol

Blubbering baby

The only one I see upset is you. So what was your point again in the first place? Why should we have to distance ourself from those 5 guys? In fact, we're glad that they discovered this huge flaw since CCP can't design for crap anyways.


Actually the ones getting upset are you, getting hostile, changing sigs, I mean really.

Thread started "we" are goons "we" are leet look what we have done, thread ended , nuffin to do with us guv, nuffin I tell you. twas them that dun it.

Funny

Blubbering baby


That's it? That's your whole argument? You are still avoiding the question. Why should we separate our self from those 5? I'm sure you can answer the question, blubbering baby.
Crellion
Nano Rhinos
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
#990 - 2012-06-22 12:06:16 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Ghost Xray wrote:
interested in QA'ing, do it on the test server.


this wasn't done on the test server because one huge aspect of the scheme wasn't possible on the test server


Upgrading systems?
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#991 - 2012-06-22 12:06:32 UTC
Talon SilverHawk wrote:
Actually the ones getting upset are you, getting hostile, changing sigs, I mean really.

Thread started "we" are goons "we" are leet look what we have done, thread ended , nuffin to do with us guv, nuffin I tell you. twas them that dun it.


amazing how you haven't responded to my question

why would we need to distance ourselves?

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Xhaiden Ora
Doomheim
#992 - 2012-06-22 12:06:40 UTC
Tallian Saotome wrote:
The rules in EVE change. Its needed to try and prevent/reduce stagnation. As long as those rules are adhered to, it works. One of those rules is that CCP does not directly intervene unless another rule is broken, they just change the rules to prevent it from occurring again.


I'll leave rule enforcement up to CCP though you're changing the subject based on what you think my position is here.


Tallian Saotome wrote:

Whining to CCP violates the spirit of the game.


Oh bullshit. CCP is first and foremost a business. They're not our mom.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#993 - 2012-06-22 12:06:42 UTC
Talon SilverHawk wrote:
Actually the ones getting upset are you, getting hostile, changing sigs, I mean really.

Thread started "we" are goons "we" are leet look what we have done, thread ended , nuffin to do with us guv, nuffin I tell you. twas them that dun it.

Funny

As I was saying...
Lord Zim wrote:
It's the age-old "you're mad, aren't you?" "no, I'm not." "yes, you so are. just look at you." "no, I'm not mad." "yeeeees you are, oh yes you are. you're so utterly mad." "sigh. go away please." "mad mad mad mad. you're mad. you're mad. you're mad." *punch in the face* "see? I told you you were mad." technique.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#994 - 2012-06-22 12:07:14 UTC
Mabego Tetrimon wrote:
Blawrf McTaggart wrote:
Mabego Tetrimon wrote:


Well i gratulate you on 14 Hours of mindless clicking in the FW-LP-Store.....if nothinmg else, thats an abuse of your mouse-finger for sure!




http://www.logitech.com/en-us/keyboards/keyboards/g19-keyboard-for-gaming



well, Eula break again guy:

"3. You may not use stored rapid keystrokes that facilitate acquisition of items at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play"



Confirming that buying a $200 keyboard is against the EULA.

[b]Don't worry about posting with your main!  Post with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."[/b]
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#995 - 2012-06-22 12:07:40 UTC
Crellion wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
Ghost Xray wrote:
interested in QA'ing, do it on the test server.


this wasn't done on the test server because one huge aspect of the scheme wasn't possible on the test server


Upgrading systems?


because this only involved upgrading systems and absolutely nothing else

cripes

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#996 - 2012-06-22 12:08:24 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Talon SilverHawk wrote:
Actually the ones getting upset are you, getting hostile, changing sigs, I mean really.

Thread started "we" are goons "we" are leet look what we have done, thread ended , nuffin to do with us guv, nuffin I tell you. twas them that dun it.

Funny

As I was saying...
Lord Zim wrote:
It's the age-old "you're mad, aren't you?" "no, I'm not." "yes, you so are. just look at you." "no, I'm not mad." "yeeeees you are, oh yes you are. you're so utterly mad." "sigh. go away please." "mad mad mad mad. you're mad. you're mad. you're mad." *punch in the face* "see? I told you you were mad." technique.


I know right? A bunch of Goons just made tons of money and lp by gaming the system. Who would be mad about that besides the people who didn't get in on it and people who are mad at Goons anyway?

[b]Don't worry about posting with your main!  Post with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."[/b]
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#997 - 2012-06-22 12:09:35 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
because this only involved upgrading systems and absolutely nothing else

cripes

I'd tell him about the price averages, but I'm not sure it'd dawn on him still.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Karadion Kohlar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#998 - 2012-06-22 12:09:50 UTC
Lapine Davion wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Talon SilverHawk wrote:
Actually the ones getting upset are you, getting hostile, changing sigs, I mean really.

Thread started "we" are goons "we" are leet look what we have done, thread ended , nuffin to do with us guv, nuffin I tell you. twas them that dun it.

Funny

As I was saying...
Lord Zim wrote:
It's the age-old "you're mad, aren't you?" "no, I'm not." "yes, you so are. just look at you." "no, I'm not mad." "yeeeees you are, oh yes you are. you're so utterly mad." "sigh. go away please." "mad mad mad mad. you're mad. you're mad. you're mad." *punch in the face* "see? I told you you were mad." technique.


I know right? A bunch of Goons just made tons of money and lp by gaming the system. Who would be mad about that besides the people who didn't get in on it and people who are mad at Goons anyway?

Would you have preferred that they didn't report the bug to Stoffer so everyone would have gotten on it?
Mabego Tetrimon
Spiritus Draconis
#999 - 2012-06-22 12:10:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Mabego Tetrimon
Lapine Davion wrote:
Mabego Tetrimon wrote:
Blawrf McTaggart wrote:
Mabego Tetrimon wrote:


Well i gratulate you on 14 Hours of mindless clicking in the FW-LP-Store.....if nothinmg else, thats an abuse of your mouse-finger for sure!




http://www.logitech.com/en-us/keyboards/keyboards/g19-keyboard-for-gaming



well, Eula break again guy:

"3. You may not use stored rapid keystrokes that facilitate acquisition of items at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play"



Confirming that buying a $200 keyboard is against the EULA.


if you cant get the meaning, well shut up ;9

i am just hyperbole to give CCP a hint on how they might get their eggs in hand - means i have a low thinking of CCP sec, hm?
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
#1000 - 2012-06-22 12:10:08 UTC
Karadion Kohlar wrote:



That's it? That's your whole argument? You are still avoiding the question. Why should we separate our self from those 5? I'm sure you can answer the question, blubbering baby.[/quote]


LOL at you Big smile


Blubbering baby, is that it, you'll be complaining about my sig next

Tal
Big smile