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Goons 4x4ing through the Sandbox - Market Manipulation on a Grand Scale

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Xhaiden Ora
Doomheim
#761 - 2012-06-22 06:01:12 UTC
Considering how you use it, CCP really needs to replace the sand in the box with cat litter.
Frederick Sanger
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#762 - 2012-06-22 06:05:46 UTC
CPT Plahnut wrote:
Xutech wrote:
Math is not an exploit.

The fact is, for most of you, the explanation for what they did is so complex, it's indistinguishable from magic.

Or, in this case, "exploits".


Kind of like common sense is to you guys?

It's common sense to follow the rules.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#763 - 2012-06-22 06:11:20 UTC
Did CCP reverse the transactions when P.I. was introduced, and a not entirely dissimilar "feature" - of which they were also pre-warned - led to people making sums of ISK in the same league? (Albeit the total was spread out over more players)

IIRC they only reversed those made AFTER the publications of the exploit notice.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
blackpatch
Eighty Joule Brewery
Goonswarm Federation
#764 - 2012-06-22 06:12:58 UTC
death to goons
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#765 - 2012-06-22 06:13:56 UTC
gulftobay
Mesotopia
#766 - 2012-06-22 06:15:40 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Did CCP reverse the transactions when P.I. was introduced, and a not entirely dissimilar "feature" - of which they were also pre-warned - led to people making sums of ISK in the same league? (Albeit the total was spread out over more players)

IIRC they only reversed those made AFTER the publications of the exploit notice.


What was the scale of that fiasco?
InternetSpaceship
State War Academy
Caldari State
#767 - 2012-06-22 06:15:58 UTC  |  Edited by: InternetSpaceship
Nikodiemus wrote:
InternetSpaceship wrote:
Dramaticus wrote:
Still waiting for the exploit to be pointed out


The exploit was goons playing the game in a way that doesn't involve whining to CCP to alter game mechanics in our favor. Same as always.


You are really a terrible propagandist and give a good name to sub-par posters - even from Goon. Try harder drone.


My e-honor. :(

Mikelii wrote:
Richard Disturned follows his own rules. He's a man on the edge. He's going to be off this case if he doesn't calm down soon! We can't have any mad-dog posters in goonswarm.


We're all loose cannons.

Official Recruiter for GoonSwarm Corporation.

If you paid isk to get into GoonSwarm, you were probably scammed.  If you had the foresight to save the name of your scammer, let me know and I'll do what I can to help you.
xPredat0rz
Project.Nova
The Initiative.
#768 - 2012-06-22 06:18:06 UTC
So to sum up 40 pages of fun...



CCP puts out an even BIGGER isk printing machine after nerfing the last one...

Goons mess with it and print up a few trillion...

CCP wants to punish them now.

IF thats the case why not take isk away from all the incursion runners that were making billions a day in isk payouts....Not including the Massive amounts of LP that drove the entire LP market into the gutter,

Plex prices Doubled during that fiasco.


So CCP you release another broken printing machine and someone proves how broke and your going to take away the gains...

Seems a bit unrealistic to me.

1. Your interfering with the sandbox you so like to preach about.

2. You didnt knee jerk this much about incursions which were just as broke.

3. Tech moons again something just as broke arent fixed.

Fix it pat them on the back and move on. Taking any assets away from this is basically saying that you should take isk away for any mechanic that allows you to print isk. If your not going to do that you shouldnt touch this isk.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#769 - 2012-06-22 06:18:41 UTC
gulftobay wrote:
What was the scale of that fiasco?


the OP of this thread got insanely rich from PI patch speculation

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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#770 - 2012-06-22 06:19:18 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Dosnix
RubyPorto wrote:
Cipher Jones wrote:
gulftobay wrote:
Now that the 'pro' GSF team is here, any thoughts on what would be a reasonable solution to this mess?


Taking the ISK back as already stated by a dev.


What ISK?


I dunno, maybe read the *snip* thread.

Post edited due to personal attack
ISD Dosnix

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#771 - 2012-06-22 06:20:40 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
I dunno, maybe read the ******* thread.


you still haven't told us when your sub runs out

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Yolanta Geezenstack
GWA Corp
#772 - 2012-06-22 06:21:15 UTC
Xutech wrote:
The fact is, for most of you, the explanation for what they did is so complex, it's indistinguishable from magic.


Guilty - both my EVE and math skill is at 0/5. I really didn't fully understand what they did. Oops

Werst Dendenahzees wrote:
CCP should consider sending the Goonswarm finance gurus a commemorative trophy. They basically won EVE right there and only stopped because they still ironically have a conscience.


My psychology skill is at 3/5 though, I dare to say that imo it wasn't conscience which made you guys stop, but psychological reasons - you were aware that if you exaggerate it CCP will do something drastically to safe their sandbox, maybe even do a server rollback. But if you stop it (after still getting a good chunk of loot) you have a good chance that they don't bother trying to solve the hassle (imagine the work! trying to find out who did what, which items were shifted and where are the items and the ISK now, who else is affected etc. - I see tedious of hours of looking through logfiles...).

Kudos to a brilliant thought out and executed job.
Jed Clampett
Doomheim
#773 - 2012-06-22 06:22:50 UTC
CCP has been informed of the ease of market manipulation many times and has mostly ignored it. The few times they responded I was told the option is there by design.


Only the introduction of LP and its multiplier effect under Inferno is new.

With LP you stepped on some CCP toes. But I suspect only the LP aspects will be fixed. FW seems to be a bit of a pet project that refuses to either die or be well designed. And of course the new clothing issues point toward there being every reason to suspect LP and aurum will soon be connected as the two alternative ways to get special goodies -- pay or participate in CCP pet projects.

The Goons have done us another good turn by demonstrating why neither players nor CCP shouldn't take progress in EVE too seriously.

And the good thing is that for the most part elite pay or FW players are mainly competing with each other...outside an occasional gank this really doesn't effect the average player who works in much less rarified realms of value. This a big dog issue, not one for ordinary citizens of EVE to get riled up about.
Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#774 - 2012-06-22 06:25:33 UTC
The obvious solution is to ban all goons forever.

Every time you post a WiS thread, Hilmar strangles a kitten.
White Carnation
SYNDIC Unlimited
#775 - 2012-06-22 06:33:04 UTC
Jed Clampett wrote:
And the good thing is that for the most part elite pay or FW players are mainly competing with each other...outside an occasional gank this really doesn't effect the average player who works in much less rarified realms of value. This a big dog issue, not one for ordinary citizens of EVE to get riled up about.



Unless you're a Researcher, who depends on the value of their datacores for buying pod goo and (the occasional) units of ammo.

Then, when somneone bottoms out the datacore market, we get r*yally scr*wed.

Goons, how about sum luv (and a couple bill ISK each) for the poor victims of your market manipulation. Look at it as spreading the wealth, which wilkl all come back to you viia the technetium monopoly

Humbly
White Carnation
Research Capsuleer
Frederick Sanger
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#776 - 2012-06-22 06:34:11 UTC
Scatim Helicon wrote:
The obvious solution is to ban all goons forever.

This is the only possible solution. Prepare yourself, MWO.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#777 - 2012-06-22 06:35:43 UTC
White Carnation wrote:
Then, when somneone bottoms out the datacore market, we get r*yally scr*wed.

Goons, how about sum luv (and a couple bill ISK each) for the poor victims of your market manipulation. Look at it as spreading the wealth, which wilkl all come back to you viia the technetium monopoly


after much discussion, we have decided to honour your request, however, we will not give you ISK, but advice

never have all of your eggs in the same basket

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Ziranda Hakuli
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#778 - 2012-06-22 06:44:09 UTC
CPT Plahnut wrote:
Xutech wrote:
Math is not an exploit.

The fact is, for most of you, the explanation for what they did is so complex, it's indistinguishable from magic.

Or, in this case, "exploits".


Kind of like common sense is to you guys?


Leeches do not posses common sense.
Dorn Val
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#779 - 2012-06-22 06:56:52 UTC
Why do I feel the need to congratulate the Goons on yet another brilliant manipulation of the sandbox!? Well done folks!!!

Sandbox: An enclosed area filled with sand for children engaged in open-ended, unstructured, imaginative play. Also a place for cats to urinate and defecate...
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Perkone
Caldari State
#780 - 2012-06-22 06:58:21 UTC
well played :)

but dont think you were the only one doing this