EVE General Discussion

You will surely admit that the event had a far greater emotional effect on you than some cut-scene of Generic Scripted Evil Nemesis #316 killing your generic scripted 1-dimensional female e-sidekick or something? Like, you care about what happened in this game way more?

I would hope that, after reflection, you would use that infinitely greater emotional impact to motivate and involve you far more powerfully.

RP is great when it works in the mechanics of the game. Playing a character who does not believe in cloning can be restricting much like playing a character who refuses to talk with characters from other empires. Although this is doable I believe it is harder than playing a "racist" in other MMOs where the sides of good and evil are clearly defined.

There are ways to RP in EVE that excel compared to other MMOs. I for one have never initiated a fight (which might be more me than RP) and have only killed a few non-mission based rats in self defense. Almost every other MMO is experience point based which is gained from killing enemies, making peaceful characters not an option.

If you want to RP or have any weird quirks (fly only frigates, refuse to join player corporations, enjoy stalking other ships, have a habit of giving away all your ISK, etc.) good for you. Just make sure that it doesn't interfere with your enjoyment of the game, and fits your play style. I'm a pacifist who really enjoy clothes shopping which is not possible in most other MMOs.

Like someone else said I would learn to get your pod away as fast as possible. As soon as you know your ship will pop, click on a warpable object and start spamming the 'Warp to' button on the overview. It is nearly failsafe.

I say nearly because I jumped into a low sec gate camp in a nano'd up Slicer a few days ago and in addition to catching my ship before it hit warp (fair play, didn't see that one coming), they also got my pod despite the aforementioned spam 'warp to' strategy (again, quite impressive, fair play). Essentially, if you see two boosting Orcas on a low sec gate and a sensor boosted/remote sensor boosted Raptor and Devoter combo, there really isn't much point in trying to warp hah! Got them a nice pod mail though.

Thanks for the links, Mara.

Duuuuh, I obviously wasn’t talking about actual murder but about in-game one. Also, just because certain behaviors are possible in EVE that does not mean that it is “meant to be played” in that way.

I have about 1,3m SP.

Yes, I know that now :3

Make no mistake, I also appreciate the possibility of acting like that in EVE but that does not mean that I am happy with people actually behaving like that. You know, in the same way that I enjoy having freedom of will but don’t appreciate people abusing it to commit abhorrent crimes.

We’ll see At the least I feel significantly more composed now than I did yesterday.

The guy who has been in EVE for a month and roleplays as someone who doesn't believe in cloning is telling us how the game is meant to be played. Precious.

It's true that there's no one "set" way to play EVE. PvP, PvE, trade, industry, scams, they're all what make EVE and what make EVE the game it is.

...Having said that, like others have said being a nice, friendly place isn't the kind of game both the developers and - most - of the population want it to be. You could say that no one ever said that you have to greedily take every last piece of property, and buy more discounted property off desperate players to "win" at Monopoly. Does that make the other person sitting across you at the board a selfish, uncaring, capitalist bastard? If one of your friends makes a pact with you then breaks it when it's convenient for him during a game of Risk, are you going to call him a militaristic fascist pig? You don't, because you:

1) Realize it's a game
2) Realize it's a game that only really lives up to its full potential for fun when played that way
3) Realize that at the end of the day, it's your friend sitting across the board

In EVE:

1) It's easier to forget it's just a game because it's a lot more immersive than a mere board game. Also, your losses are far more far- reaching than a "reset" game
2) A lot of other activities - Mining, trade, industry - in EVE revolve around the incessant ship losses to war, roams, and just random buggery that keep the economy moving, and keep the story going. It's all part of what makes EVE the dynamic, interesting universe it is.
3) It's an internet spaceship game, so it's easier to forget you're dealing with another decent guy who's just playing the game another perfectly legit way. And yes, it's perfectly possible to be an evil character in a game, while being a really decent person IRL.

While there are certainly the few cases of sociopathy around here - as with any community - You'll find that most players, even the supposed evil pirates, can be pretty okay guys if you start talking and get to know them. New Eden is cold and harsh - but you can still see mortal enemies kicking back and having beers together at Fanfest, and that's what makes the community awesome.

It still is not murder. Killing a Capsuleer is not murder unless you do it outside of the pod in a way in which they cannot revive into a new clone.

Also it was meant to be played that way (and every way), watch some of the old trailers.

The Cambridge Dictionaries (as well as any other ones) disagree:

murder; n; /ˈmɝː.dɚ/
• the crime of intentionally killing a person

Just because someone is “revived” after the murder that does not change the nature of the crime which is the killing of another human being.

Regarding the former: In video games where you don’t interact directly but via avatars it certainly makes his character one. Regarding the latter: If we are RPing (which, at least in case of these games, is unlikely but you get the point) then fuck yeah!

They had a security rating of -10 so yeah, I think it’s safe to assume that

I take it “not ruining someone else’s day” is not reason enough ?

And I'm sure that dictionary totally applies in a galaxy far far away, far far in the future.

Hint: it doesn't.


Find a bit of lore that says killing a capsuleer clone is murder. Otherwise, it ain't.

So far the people in this thread disagree.