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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#61 - 2012-06-22 04:21:57 UTC
SKYIINET Caliborus wrote:
RAP ACTION HERO wrote:
your whole corp should be disbanded

For what reason? They won't be able to join any other corps because most of my recruits that wanted to join a corp said they were useless. And that's the exact wording.

Who was useless, the corp or the recruits?

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
RAP ACTION HERO
#62 - 2012-06-22 04:27:16 UTC
you know leading rookies is probably one of the hardest thing to do in eve, vs a 3 month player who have their own self sufficiency to fall back on.

rookies need guidance, resources, protection and most importantly they should feel like they are having fun
your corp obviously got nothing for them except for a 5% tax

them rookies need a better home.

vitoc erryday
SKYIINET Caliborus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#63 - 2012-06-22 04:29:09 UTC
Alavaria Fera you really need me to reiterate this for you?

*sigh*

The corporations that my recruits were rejected from, were because the corporations said to the recruits: THE RECRUIT WAS USELESS, primarily because of how new they were.

I find this sad that a corp won't help a new member out in the first place.

Can anyone understand what I am trying to say here?
SKYIINET Caliborus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#64 - 2012-06-22 04:30:17 UTC  |  Edited by: SKYIINET Caliborus
RAP ACTION HERO wrote:
you know leading rookies is probably one of the hardest thing to do in eve, vs a 3 month player who have their own self sufficiency to fall back on.

rookies need guidance, resources, protection and most importantly they should feel like they are having fun
your corp obviously got nothing for them except for a 5% tax

them rookies need a better home.


That 3 month player was a rookie at some point, but I have patience, I'd like to see your corp's tax rate. I wasn't the one who set mine, and honestly I don't play this game for the currency.

The main reason I don't play this game for the currency, is because of a ill-famous game published by a game Andrew Gower place in the control of Mark Gerhard.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#65 - 2012-06-22 04:31:32 UTC
SKYIINET Caliborus wrote:
The corporations that my recruits were rejected from, were because the corporations said to the recruits: THE RECRUIT WAS USELESS, primarily because of how new they were.

I find this sad that a corp won't help a new member out in the first place.

Can anyone understand what I am trying to say here?

That's sad.

I see what you're getting at. They need a healthy diet of rifters to grow up to be brave pilots :)

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
SKYIINET Caliborus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#66 - 2012-06-22 04:33:06 UTC
I loled IRL on that one. Alavaria Fera

Yes, that makes perfect sense, put a person in a rifter repeatedly so when they come across a ship bigger than them, they know when to give up.

I'm definitely sure a path in a rifter to skill up would take 200 or more days to learn.
RAP ACTION HERO
#67 - 2012-06-22 04:34:40 UTC
SKYIINET Caliborus wrote:
I loled IRL on that one. Alavaria Fera

Yes, that makes perfect sense, put a person in a rifter repeatedly so when they come across a ship bigger than them, they know when to give up.

I'm definitely sure a path in a rifter to skill up would take 200 or more days to learn.

i loled too, 200 days training for rifter

vitoc erryday
InternetSpaceship
State War Academy
Caldari State
#68 - 2012-06-22 04:36:26 UTC  |  Edited by: InternetSpaceship
SKYIINET Caliborus wrote:


(And the player's actions were petitioned, this includes spawntrapping, quickscoping and spamming of the corporation chat)


"This person is playing in a way I don't like. CCP, come play the game for me and make him go away. :cry:"

Carebears like you are why people hate carebears. You want him gone, get rid of him yourself. Play the game.

Corina Jarr wrote:
Ohhhhhh.

Well, not gonna change peoples minds on things. Like trying to argue evolution to a devout Catholic.



Catholic doctrine accepts evolution.

Quote:


I don't like the views of neonazis, doesn't make a lick of difference.


Classy.

Official Recruiter for GoonSwarm Corporation.

If you paid isk to get into GoonSwarm, you were probably scammed.  If you had the foresight to save the name of your scammer, let me know and I'll do what I can to help you.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#69 - 2012-06-22 04:40:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
RAP ACTION HERO wrote:
SKYIINET Caliborus wrote:
I loled IRL on that one. Alavaria Fera

Yes, that makes perfect sense, put a person in a rifter repeatedly so when they come across a ship bigger than them, they know when to give up.

I'm definitely sure a path in a rifter to skill up would take 200 or more days to learn.

i loled too, 200 days training for rifter

I definitely lolled.

It's funny when a rifter catches a tengu, and then suddenly there's another 10 rifters pointing and webbing him. Point BEFORE you web, newbie :)

The first killmail I got on was in fact delivered by fellow rifter that just happened to be close when the tengu warped in at 100km... he didn't die a fast death because all the newbies piled on him before someone finished him off... (didn't get the pod though)

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
InternetSpaceship
State War Academy
Caldari State
#70 - 2012-06-22 04:42:32 UTC
Ivan Ward wrote:
Griefers like this disturbs the force within this game and should be delt with swiftly.
That behavior is truly disgusting and and the grimness of his actions can not be put down into words.

Get rid of that CEO of yours or simply reform.


Then deal with them yourself. That is what Eve is all about. The strongest survive. Whining to CCP is not playing the game.

Official Recruiter for GoonSwarm Corporation.

If you paid isk to get into GoonSwarm, you were probably scammed.  If you had the foresight to save the name of your scammer, let me know and I'll do what I can to help you.
Yolanta Geezenstack
GWA Corp
#71 - 2012-06-22 04:43:56 UTC
SKYIINET Caliborus wrote:
I'm not really seeing much of the universal player game etiquette in this game, and it's kind of sad.

If you don't know what a universal player game etiquette is, it's where old players help out the new players, or players interact with each other in a decent way. You can still pvp, because it's part of the game, just don't be a jerk or destroy them repeatedly without a good cause.


Are you sure that this "Universal Game Etiquette" (who defined that anyway? who said that it has to be universal? and who is controlling if it's applied?) is applied in EVE, too? From my understanding EVE you CAN be a jerk in EVE and I don't need to have a CAUSE to destroy someone.

I think the basic idea of your corporation will fail.
InternetSpaceship
State War Academy
Caldari State
#72 - 2012-06-22 04:43:56 UTC
sabre906 wrote:
SKYIINET Caliborus wrote:
The people I had to take care of this weren't logged in at the time, and the players that got killed were new new new, I'm talking less than 4 days. And most of them didn't want to pvp, and I don't blame them.


CCP is on an active campaign to ban anyone "messing with" (actual term used, inclusive regardless of how narrow someone's definition of griefing is) rookies in 14 day trial period.


...in rookie systems.

Official Recruiter for GoonSwarm Corporation.

If you paid isk to get into GoonSwarm, you were probably scammed.  If you had the foresight to save the name of your scammer, let me know and I'll do what I can to help you.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#73 - 2012-06-22 04:46:03 UTC
InternetSpaceship wrote:
Ivan Ward wrote:
Griefers like this disturbs the force within this game and should be delt with swiftly.
That behavior is truly disgusting and and the grimness of his actions can not be put down into words.

Get rid of that CEO of yours or simply reform.

Then deal with them yourself. That is what Eve is all about. The strongest survive. Whining to CCP is not playing the game.

It isn't an effective part of the metagame? I thought that's what the whole buffing concord was about ... huh.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
SKYIINET Caliborus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#74 - 2012-06-22 04:56:41 UTC
Obviously I don't know enough of the game to argue at this point, so I'm going to turn my slip in now.
Domono
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#75 - 2012-06-22 05:04:48 UTC
I am so baffled as to why people have an issue with the rule. OP stated that the guy said he was targeting new players specifically. Big no no. If he instead just said I don't like you guys, he might get a talking to about targeting noobs and sent on his marry. Does that mean you can go around blowing up every noob and say "Well I didn't like him"? Absolutely not, when you do get reported CCP is sure to see the pattern. Now if he happen to scan someone transporting a lot of valuables and decides to gank him and he happens to be 2 weeks. Do you think CCP would blame him? Really? When they say use common sense, just try it a little bit, you might be surprised with the answers you come up with.

Just relax guys don't over think it. Don't read to much into it. Don't target new players specifically in any way shape or form. When/if you do find a new player at the wrong end of your weapons don't make the extra effort to wrongly incriminate yourself IE: Blow up character hauling 1b worth of modules, don't say "Stupid noob"

In any other circumstance I can't see why you would even need to think about it. For what reason are you ganking t1 frigates and rookie ships in high sec? On the off chance they might have something valuable? Big gamble to take when their are two modules specifically made to figure that out for you.
InternetSpaceship
State War Academy
Caldari State
#76 - 2012-06-22 05:20:44 UTC
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
It's your right to love this behaviour and it's mine to say that this guy is breaking the rule "don't mess with rookies" + abusing system to not be kicked from the corp witch is an obvious behaviour CCP doesn't like.
They were pretty much excluded from the “don't mess with rookies” rule the second they joined a PC corp.



I actually can not agree or disagree with you since CCP didn't made this also obvious.


Yup. A GM even came in the thread and stated he intended to keep it vague, presumably so we can have fun situations like this one where the rules aren't at all clear. And most of that thread likes it that way, because it's a barely veiled means of saying "No PvP in highsec."

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If you paid isk to get into GoonSwarm, you were probably scammed.  If you had the foresight to save the name of your scammer, let me know and I'll do what I can to help you.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#77 - 2012-06-22 05:22:49 UTC
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
It's your right to love this behaviour and it's mine to say that this guy is breaking the rule "don't mess with rookies" + abusing system to not be kicked from the corp witch is an obvious behaviour CCP doesn't like.
They were pretty much excluded from the “don't mess with rookies” rule the second they joined a PC corp.

I actually can not agree or disagree with you since CCP didn't made this also obvious.

If you see a blinking red rookie ship, you'll blow it up.

Newbies should be educated in how to defend themselves from wardecs, I don't think the tutorial teaches them that.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
InternetSpaceship
State War Academy
Caldari State
#78 - 2012-06-22 06:00:18 UTC
Terranid Meester wrote:
Ignorance is not an excuse. You think CCP would allow wars with other corporations if rookies in corporations were still considered rookies?


If they do, and rookies in player corps indeed cannot be attacked, the next GoonSwarm Rookie Drive is going to be a hell of a thing to see.

No need to even fight, just undock in Jita and watch as half the player base is banned for ******* with rookies.

Official Recruiter for GoonSwarm Corporation.

If you paid isk to get into GoonSwarm, you were probably scammed.  If you had the foresight to save the name of your scammer, let me know and I'll do what I can to help you.
InternetSpaceship
State War Academy
Caldari State
#79 - 2012-06-22 06:04:48 UTC  |  Edited by: InternetSpaceship
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
CCP can easily check the griefers account history and killmail record to ascertain a pattern. This sounds exactly like one of those loopholes that CCP was referring to about player bullies taking advantage and bending the rules.

CCP said do not mess with Rookies. CCP didn't say just rookies in NPC corp, CCP said DO NOT MESS WITH ROOKIES.

If that isn't clear enough, wake up and drink some coffee. If clarification is needed, Rookie chat is active for 30 days.

Personally I hope the guy get's his ISP # perma-banned. This whole 'killing new players to teach them a lesson' is nothing more than a fail attempt to justify their actions.


So how do I know if he still has rookie chat?

That isn't a clarification at all. A clarification would make it clear to any player who is and isn't a rookie. I don't care about any baseless "noob-hunter" speculation you might have, if we have a hard rule not to **** with rookies, then we need to be told what a rookie is. That is only reasonable.

SKYIINET Caliborus wrote:
RAP ACTION HERO wrote:
your whole corp should be disbanded


Are you trying to tell me and my corporation members how to play a game?


You aren't playing the game, though, you're whining for CCP to ban the accounts of other players who are. Those players are using game rules and mechanics to play it. You don't like how they are playing it, but instead of doing the same and driving them away from your corp, you just dock up and cry to CCP about how hard Eve is and how you need them to come in and play it for you.

Official Recruiter for GoonSwarm Corporation.

If you paid isk to get into GoonSwarm, you were probably scammed.  If you had the foresight to save the name of your scammer, let me know and I'll do what I can to help you.
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#80 - 2012-06-22 06:08:29 UTC
SKYIINET Caliborus wrote:
I loled IRL on that one. Alavaria Fera

Yes, that makes perfect sense, put a person in a rifter repeatedly so when they come across a ship bigger than them, they know when to give up.

I'm definitely sure a path in a rifter to skill up would take 200 or more days to learn.

My first kill was taking down a myrmidon in an incursus. I think my toon was about a week old.

EVE does not have a 'catch up' issue like other games do, unless you want to fly big ships. Guess what, big ships have a hell of a time killing small ones, unless they gimp themselves.

You might want to recruit someone who can fly a BS, just in case you end up with someone ganking you in a big ship fit to kill small ones.(you would have to put small guns on a BS to hit a frig effectively, as long as the frig keeps up traversal)

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