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Insane FPS drop with missiles

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Ribikoka
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#21 - 2012-06-20 08:02:49 UTC
Cpt Arareb wrote:
I too need to have my missiles effects off or my fps goes from a steady 60-65 fps to 10-12 ! nvidia 9500 gt quad cuore or whatever, 4gb ram and the graphic card is like 2 gb or so ..I dont understan much about computers but this one seems to run EVE very decently untill the new missiles effects got in


So, this is not a simple ATI probem.
CCP Habakuk
C C P
C C P Alliance
#22 - 2012-06-20 13:39:31 UTC
Hi!

We know about this issue, but we are still investigating our options for fixing / improving it. The issue is present on Tranquility, but it is indeed more pronounced now on Singularity with Inferno 1.1 (at least on some cards).

Workaround: Disable GPU particles in the settings menu.

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Ribikoka
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#23 - 2012-06-20 14:27:12 UTC
CCP Habakuk wrote:
Hi!

We know about this issue, but we are still investigating our options for fixing / improving it. The issue is present on Tranquility, but it is indeed more pronounced now on Singularity with Inferno 1.1 (at least on some cards).

Workaround: Disable GPU particles in the settings menu.


Disable GPU particles in the settings menu just a cosmetic fix, not resolve the real problem.
And what about the FPS drop when someone turning camera towards the sun ? And what about with space dusts in mission or anomalies ?
Sentient Blade
Crisis Atmosphere
Coalition of the Unfortunate
#24 - 2012-06-20 14:52:48 UTC
Ribikoka wrote:
what about with space dusts in mission or anomalies ?


*Twitches*
Sellendis
The Ares project
#25 - 2012-06-20 14:53:00 UTC
Brilliant answer, honestly.
From noticeable FPS drop on TQ it goes to insane fps drop on SISI, and best advice is to disable GPU particles.
How about finding whats wrong and making it work, or at least rollback to TQ missiles setting that didnt make it unplayable. All that was added were small flares on missiles and it screwed things up.

A little smoke trail from a missile having this much of a hit on performance makes you wonder what the hell is in that bit of smoke. New smoke tech?

Space dust is a known problem, if they fix it like they fixed missiles i might as well stop playing. Guess i was stupid to extend my 2 acc playtime hoping against usual CCP MO that something gets fixed.
CCP Habakuk
C C P
C C P Alliance
#26 - 2012-06-20 15:04:15 UTC
Sellendis wrote:
Brilliant answer, honestly.
From noticeable FPS drop on TQ it goes to insane fps drop on SISI, and best advice is to disable GPU particles.
How about finding whats wrong and making it work, or at least rollback to TQ missiles setting that didnt make it unplayable. All that was added were small flares on missiles and it screwed things up.


This is being worked on this and we hope to regain at least the performance loss compared to TQ. I'll post more info as soon as we know more.

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Rrama Ratamnim
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2012-06-20 15:10:45 UTC
CCP Habakuk wrote:
Sellendis wrote:
Brilliant answer, honestly.
From noticeable FPS drop on TQ it goes to insane fps drop on SISI, and best advice is to disable GPU particles.
How about finding whats wrong and making it work, or at least rollback to TQ missiles setting that didnt make it unplayable. All that was added were small flares on missiles and it screwed things up.


This is being worked on this and we hope to regain at least the performance loss compared to TQ. I'll post more info as soon as we know more.


It is a brilliant answer, stop being a tard he said they are working to find what is causing it, and to fix it. As the GPU particles is a new feature the fact that you have to disable it isn't like its some huge change from the past lol, just disable the gpu particles for a while till the source of the issue is found.
Bubanni
Corus Aerospace
#28 - 2012-06-20 15:44:00 UTC
I have a fix :) increase missile velocity by 100% on all ships (that means ships that already have speed bonus, gets additional speed)... once this is done, adjust flight time to match same range as before...

Why you ask? to reduce the number of missiles in space at a given time... (it will also make sniping with missiles more viable than it already is)

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CCP Habakuk
C C P
C C P Alliance
#29 - 2012-06-20 15:50:28 UTC
Bubanni wrote:
I have a fix :) increase missile velocity by 100% on all ships (that means ships that already have speed bonus, gets additional speed)... once this is done, adjust flight time to match same range as before...

Why you ask? to reduce the number of missiles in space at a given time... (it will also make sniping with missiles more viable than it already is)


Interesting idea, but it won't help at all in this case, as the fps drop happens already for the first missile in space. Adding more missiles has nearly no further impact (at least on newer cards).

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Sellendis
The Ares project
#30 - 2012-06-20 16:41:40 UTC
Rrama Ratamnim wrote:

It is a brilliant answer, stop being a tard he said they are working to find what is causing it, and to fix it. As the GPU particles is a new feature the fact that you have to disable it isn't like its some huge change from the past lol, just disable the gpu particles for a while till the source of the issue is found.


First missile effects deployed, 10 fps dropped. (current TQ)
Second fixed missile effect deployed, 30 fps dropped....progress? (current SiSi)

Its not the fact i have to disable it, its the fact that its working worse than currently on TQ.

What do ya think, is it gonna go live on TQ with this fps impact? Or is this new missile effect gonna be removed from current SiSi build?
And BTW, how many reported problems went from SiSi to TQ? And then wait for the patch for god knows how long, when it shouldn't be deployed in the first place.

Or how about the acid cloud in Recon 3/3 mission? How long ago was that reported? (hint, its just been a year since it was reported) Wanna know that went? Its still not fixed, its missing completely, the green cloud that did dmg to your ship is not there, you still take dmg, just the thing that dmged you isn't visible.

The on/off check box in options is the least of my problems. I can live without missile smoke, trust me What?
CCP Habakuk
C C P
C C P Alliance
#31 - 2012-06-21 13:25:38 UTC
Hi again!

We made some changes to missiles yesterday evening, which reached Singularity this morning. Please check out your performance with missiles on ATI cards - on my test machine it looks like we are back at the level of current TQ. Please reply here with your observations and please send bugreports, if you find any related bugs. Thanks in advance!

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Lili Lu
#32 - 2012-06-21 14:44:45 UTC
"Data Package Unavailable. The server you are connecting to doesn't have a published update package. Client update was unsuccessful" No option to click play button.

Now this may be a known problem and you may have published some workaround until you fix the launcher. But really I'll just wait til the launcher is fixed. Straight
CCP Habakuk
C C P
C C P Alliance
#33 - 2012-06-21 15:12:00 UTC
Lili Lu wrote:
"Data Package Unavailable. The server you are connecting to doesn't have a published update package. Client update was unsuccessful" No option to click play button.

Now this may be a known problem and you may have published some workaround until you fix the launcher. But really I'll just wait til the launcher is fixed. Straight


Our apologies! This was a short time problem with the information about the currently active patch. It should be fixed now.

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Ribikoka
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#34 - 2012-06-21 15:22:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Ribikoka
CCP Habakuk wrote:
Hi again!

We made some changes to missiles yesterday evening, which reached Singularity this morning. Please check out your performance with missiles on ATI cards - on my test machine it looks like we are back at the level of current TQ. Please reply here with your observations and please send bugreports, if you find any related bugs. Thanks in advance!



Confirmed.
Much-much better after new patch.
Obvious advance. Today i tried the missile affects with high settings and the frame drop decreased.
From 75FPS to 50-52FPS and the FPS normalized back to 75 FPS after first salvo. Nice work.
Please check the other fps drops too, when camera turning toward the sun.
And a button would be nice too for turning off space dust in anomalies/mission spots.
Dex Tera
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#35 - 2012-06-22 03:59:41 UTC
was just on sisi and missile effects still kill my fpsUgh at least i can now see them with the effect turned off
Dex Tera
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#36 - 2012-06-22 04:01:32 UTC
Ribikoka wrote:
CCP Habakuk wrote:
Hi again!

We made some changes to missiles yesterday evening, which reached Singularity this morning. Please check out your performance with missiles on ATI cards - on my test machine it looks like we are back at the level of current TQ. Please reply here with your observations and please send bugreports, if you find any related bugs. Thanks in advance!



Confirmed.
Much-much better after new patch.
Obvious advance. Today i tried the missile affects with high settings and the frame drop decreased.
From 75FPS to 50-52FPS and the FPS normalized back to 75 FPS after first salvo. Nice work.
Please check the other fps drops too, when camera turning toward the sun.
And a button would be nice too for turning off space dust in anomalies/mission spots.


oh please FFS THIS CCP! for aslong as i can rember the dust has lagged me like crazy please make them optional
CCP Habakuk
C C P
C C P Alliance
#37 - 2012-06-22 09:33:21 UTC
Dex Tera wrote:
was just on sisi and missile effects still kill my fpsUgh at least i can now see them with the effect turned off


Is it worse than on TQ or about the same? Which card are you using? ATI?

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CCP Peirz
C C P
C C P Alliance
#38 - 2012-06-22 14:02:44 UTC
Also as some people mentioned, when testing FPS make sure you use Interval Immediate.
For normal gameplay this is not recommended, because it tells your GPU to go as fast as it can, and therefor it might get rather hot. But for testing you should use that, otherwise you can really report only two values: "60" or "30 and lower", with nothing in between. Thanks!
Ribikoka
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#39 - 2012-06-22 14:30:23 UTC
CCP Peirz wrote:
Also as some people mentioned, when testing FPS make sure you use Interval Immediate.
For normal gameplay this is not recommended, because it tells your GPU to go as fast as it can, and therefor it might get rather hot. But for testing you should use that, otherwise you can really report only two values: "60" or "30 and lower", with nothing in between. Thanks!


I tested with all graphical settings.
With Vsync,Force Vsync,Interval default or Immediate or 60 70 75Hz monitor settings.
No matter, when i tested with other setting the FPS dropped every times.

And no one want to test or playing without vsync (Interval Immediate) because no one want to boil his VGA, but that setting really make VGA cards to hot in fully load.
CCP Peirz
C C P
C C P Alliance
#40 - 2012-06-22 14:46:17 UTC
Ribikoka wrote:
And no one want to test or playing without vsync (Interval Immediate) because no one want to boil his VGA, but that setting really make VGA cards to hot in fully load.


Yes, I would definitely recommend just enabling Immediate for a short, focused test, and then setting it back to One. Thanks!
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