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The Problem of Eve Collectiveism

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Dik DikVanDikDictator
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-06-22 02:32:25 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Tyrozan
I AM BEING KILLED! PLEASE HELP!

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ISD Tyrozan
Ensign
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Ohanka
#2 - 2012-06-22 02:36:41 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Tyrozan
I didn't know -----Edit----- and -----Edit----- played eve

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North Korea is Best Korea
Boston Bradley
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-06-22 02:38:37 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Tyrozan
Humans are the alpha species on the planet for a reason, first of all because we have the ability to communicate and store collective information and secondly because we work as teams to accomplish extraordinary tasks.

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Helping is always welcome.

GTFO

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Zhade Lezte
#4 - 2012-06-22 02:42:05 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Tyrozan
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Ohanka
#5 - 2012-06-22 02:42:40 UTC
This thread is full of fail

North Korea is Best Korea
Zhade Lezte
#6 - 2012-06-22 02:45:41 UTC
I've gotta say that the fact that the OP managed to call for a change that has already been implemented (removal of drone allloys) in such a subtle way that I didn't notice it in the initial scan is worth at least one additional troll point.
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2012-06-22 02:49:09 UTC
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#8 - 2012-06-22 02:55:35 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Tyrozan
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Yeah, I need to get more reimbursement money, but that means logging in, and inevitable blueballs on the titan, and maybe the enemy fleet won't primary me, or I might be damn lucky and live being primaried. Huh.

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Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Ohanka
#9 - 2012-06-22 02:58:47 UTC
Does anyone get the idea that this guy doesn't like "Collectiveism?"

i assume he means Collectivism

North Korea is Best Korea
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2012-06-22 03:00:14 UTC
Ohanka wrote:
Does anyone get the idea that this guy doesn't like "Collectiveism?"

i assume he means Collectivism


NO!

"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff 

Want to see what Surf is training or how little isk Surf has?  http://eveboard.com/pilot/Surfin%27s_PlunderBunny
Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-06-22 03:16:35 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Tyrozan
Is your internet spaceship game -----Edit------

It's more likely than you think.

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"I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." Calvin
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#12 - 2012-06-22 03:28:15 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Tyrozan
Boston Bradley wrote:
Humans are the alpha species on the planet for a reason, first of all because we have the ability to communicate and store collective information and secondly because we work as teams to accomplish extraordinary tasks.

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Helping is always welcome.

GTFO

Depends on the child I guess. For example:

Go back in time, see child OP dying in a fire. What do?

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[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#13 - 2012-06-22 03:32:53 UTC
People already tried all sorts of systems for governing alliances, from a council-based republic to individualist randian "groups".

They all failed miserably, except the collectivist system under a dictator that has become the standard in EVE.

Seriously. There is no better way to get **** done (one decider) and keep players happy (minimal personal losses, organized fun).
Ituhata Saken
Killboard Padding Services
#14 - 2012-06-22 03:35:32 UTC
Dramaticus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#15 - 2012-06-22 03:36:06 UTC
The great thing about Collectivism is that none of us are as dumb as all of us.

The 'do-nothing' member of the GoonSwarm Economic Warfare Cabal

The edge is REALLY hard to see at times but it DOES exist and in this case we were looking at a situation where a new feature created for all of our customers was being virtually curbstomped by five of them
Herr Hammer Draken
#16 - 2012-06-22 03:55:35 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Tyrozan
Simi Kusoni wrote:
Boston Bradley wrote:
Humans are the alpha species on the planet for a reason, first of all because we have the ability to communicate and store collective information and secondly because we work as teams to accomplish extraordinary tasks.

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Helping is always welcome.

GTFO

Depends on the child I guess. For example:

Go back in time, see child OP dying in a fire. What do?


LMAO!

OH MY.

The thought!

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Herr Hammer Draken "The Amarr Prophet"
Herr Hammer Draken
#17 - 2012-06-22 04:04:16 UTC
Akirei Scytale wrote:
People already tried all sorts of systems for governing alliances, from a council-based republic to individualist randian "groups".

They all failed miserably, except the collectivist system under a dictator that has become the standard in EVE.

Seriously. There is no better way to get **** done (one decider) and keep players happy (minimal personal losses, organized fun).


Hey that sounds familar hmm just like in Monte Python's The holy grail.

King Arthur: I am your king.
Woman: Well I didn't vote for you.
King Arthur: You don't vote for kings.
Woman: Well how'd you become king then?
[Angelic music plays... ]
King Arthur: The Lady of the Lake, her arm clad in the purest shimmering samite held aloft Excalibur from the bosom of the water, signifying by divine providence that I, Arthur, was to carry Excalibur. THAT is why I am your king.
Dennis: [interrupting] Listen, strange women lyin' in ponds distributin' swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.

Dennis: Oh, but you can't expect to wield supreme executive power just because some watery tart threw a sword at you.

Dennis: Oh but if I went 'round sayin' I was Emperor, just because some moistened bint lobbed a scimitar at me, they'd put me away.

Dennis: Come and see the violence inherent in the system. Help! Help! I'm being repressed!
King Arthur: Bloody peasant!
Dennis: Oh, what a giveaway! Did you hear that? Did you hear that, eh? That's what I'm on about! Did you see him repressing me? You saw him, Didn't you?

Herr Hammer Draken "The Amarr Prophet"
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#18 - 2012-06-22 04:10:18 UTC
Akirei Scytale wrote:
People already tried all sorts of systems for governing alliances, from a council-based republic to individualist randian "groups".

They all failed miserably, except the collectivist system under a dictator that has become the standard in EVE.

Seriously. There is no better way to get **** done (one decider) and keep players happy (minimal personal losses, organized fun).

Guess some people just Luv2Dictate.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Dramaticus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#19 - 2012-06-22 04:12:27 UTC
The dictatorial style of leadership works because it is also the only style of corporate and alliance governance allowed by game mechanics.

The 'do-nothing' member of the GoonSwarm Economic Warfare Cabal

The edge is REALLY hard to see at times but it DOES exist and in this case we were looking at a situation where a new feature created for all of our customers was being virtually curbstomped by five of them
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#20 - 2012-06-22 05:01:31 UTC
Dramaticus wrote:
The dictatorial style of leadership works because it is also the only style of corporate and alliance governance allowed by game mechanics.

Are we perhaps blaming CCP's corporation/alliance structure?

I love the "magic button" part of it. Press butan, disband alliance.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
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