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Goons 4x4ing through the Sandbox - Market Manipulation on a Grand Scale

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InternetSpaceship
State War Academy
Caldari State
#621 - 2012-06-22 00:46:31 UTC  |  Edited by: InternetSpaceship
So is this another thread where goons pull off some massive heist that no one has ever pulled off before, and half the forums crawl out to meekly argue that it really wasn't that big a deal and goons really were the losers all along, despite the fact that they are now completely saturated with other peoples' isk?

I get that you guys are sick of hearing about goons, but who else is doing anything interesting? Pretty much every other thread here is either bitching about highsec ganking or the new UI.

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Azami Nevinyrall
172.0.0.1
#622 - 2012-06-22 00:46:41 UTC
This shall be interesting...

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Crunchie Attuxors
Always Another Corporate Venture
#623 - 2012-06-22 00:49:45 UTC
InternetSpaceship wrote:
So is this another thread where goons pull off some massive heist that no one has ever pulled off before, and half the forums crawl out to meekly argue that it really wasn't that big a deal and goons really were the losers all along, despite the fact that they are now completely saturated with other peoples' isk?



The only sad part is that I was not included.

Yes, I admit jellies.

Ugh
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corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
#624 - 2012-06-22 00:52:06 UTC
Marconus Orion wrote:
This is about as much of a game exploit as Jade doing a forever war against goons.

It's not an exploit guys.

So we've got Marlona Sky and Jade Constantine, both world renowned goon haters, saying this isn't a game exploit.


I think that pretty much settles it.

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fofofo
Goose Formation
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#625 - 2012-06-22 00:56:46 UTC
Well played Goons. Stuff like this is what keeps me subbed to EvE.
No More Heroes
Boomer Humor
Snuffed Out
#626 - 2012-06-22 01:00:01 UTC
Marconus Orion wrote:
This is about as much of a game exploit as Jade doing a forever war against goons.

It's not an exploit guys.


This pretty much sums it up.

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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#627 - 2012-06-22 01:01:18 UTC
corestwo wrote:
Marconus Orion wrote:
This is about as much of a game exploit as Jade doing a forever war against goons.

It's not an exploit guys.

So we've got Marlona Sky and Jade Constantine, both world renowned goon haters, saying this isn't a game exploit.


I think that pretty much settles it.


For what's it worth, I detest the goons for many reasons, but in this case, I completely agree you did not break any rules and should keep it ALL. Some of your smarter guys went to a heluva lot of effort to manipulate a game mechanic that CCP, once again, screwed up on.

Well done for the tremendous planning and execution......excuse me, I just threw up in my mouth.
Tesal
#628 - 2012-06-22 01:01:35 UTC
The irony of course is that the minerals that were exploded, a lot of it was from Pax Amarria. This is a double whammie.
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Perkone
Caldari State
#629 - 2012-06-22 01:01:58 UTC
Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#630 - 2012-06-22 01:04:14 UTC
I tell you what. This game is more interesting with Goons than without. May we all live in 'interesting' times.

"I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." Calvin
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#631 - 2012-06-22 01:05:12 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
Courthouse wrote:
j hext wrote:
I find it amazing that there are some people out there with this amount of intellect that would waste there time just to screw over a game, when it can be done to make REAL money!!


In the real world everything about this would be extremely illegal.

not to mention the real world doesn't get patches with loopholes in them.


In the US, we call them "Acts of Congress"

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Neathy
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#632 - 2012-06-22 01:08:54 UTC
Hey Goons send me a few Billion isk! it would be like tossing pennies at the homeless guy sitting outside the gas station Lol that and I'd use it to pew pew like crazy :3
Terrorfrodo
Interbus Universal
#633 - 2012-06-22 01:10:44 UTC
When someone linked me to the text of the OP here: http://www.kugutsumen.com/content.php?271-The-Final-Jewdown-The-Rest-of-the-Faction-Warfare-Story
my reaction was:

1. Wow! Those goon boys keep owning EVE. Clever bastards.
followed by
2. But this will ruin the economy, CCP will need to take it all back
and then
3. I'll have to go to the forums and read the thread about it Lol

Now it seems that the total sum we're talking about is "only" 5 trillion ISK, because only 5 people in EVE did it, so the long-term impact on the economy is probably negligible. And, more importantly, no ISK was generated, only transferred.

I'd say, this should have no consequences for anyone except that the loophole is closed which has apparently already been done. If this was a breach of the EULA, owning a tech moon should clearly be a bannable offense.

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Istvaan Shogaatsu
Guiding Hand Social Club
#634 - 2012-06-22 01:14:39 UTC
God damn, Goons. God damn.

Can I have some of your filthy lucre for no good reason?
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#635 - 2012-06-22 01:20:23 UTC
Gaia Ma'chello wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
Kethe wrote:
It clearly states in the EULA abusing such loopholes will result in your character being banned


where


The closest Ive found:

5. You may not engage in any conduct that results in an Account containing items, objects, currency, character attributes, rank, or status that are inappropriate for the level or rank of the character contained in the Account, including without limitation arranging, making or accepting transfers of items to a character without adequate consideration, thereby augmenting or aggregating items in an Account and increasing its value for an Account sale.

Could be argued either way, but Im sure CCP will not do any arguing. They will just act as they see fit.



increasing its value for an Account sale.

The important clause of that rule.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Yewan
Kung-Fu Fighting Club
#636 - 2012-06-22 01:20:29 UTC
*Palmface*
Aryth
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#637 - 2012-06-22 01:20:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Aryth
Terrorfrodo wrote:
When someone linked me to the text of the OP here: http://www.kugutsumen.com/content.php?271-The-Final-Jewdown-The-Rest-of-the-Faction-Warfare-Story
my reaction was:

1. Wow! Those goon boys keep owning EVE. Clever bastards.
followed by
2. But this will ruin the economy, CCP will need to take it all back
and then
3. I'll have to go to the forums and read the thread about it Lol

Now it seems that the total sum we're talking about is "only" 5 trillion ISK, because only 5 people in EVE did it, so the long-term impact on the economy is probably negligible. And, more importantly, no ISK was generated, only transferred.

I'd say, this should have no consequences for anyone except that the loophole is closed which has apparently already been done. If this was a breach of the EULA, owning a tech moon should clearly be a bannable offense.



This has been our stance all along. 5T is an acceptable amount that has no long term consequences for the game or the market. Especially when it's 5 people who are intimately familiar with the markets and whose best interests lie in preserving those markets for cashout. Anything past single digit trillions would have edged into long term consequences that would have to be addressed in some way. 5T 5 ways? Nah. No biggy. Of the 5t, 3T, is me.

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#638 - 2012-06-22 01:26:22 UTC
Maggie Maggie wrote:
CPT Plahnut wrote:
16. You may not engage in any activity that increases the difficulty and/or expense of CCP in maintaining the EVE Online client, server, web site or other services for the benefit and enjoyment of all its users

seems pretty clear from here....


That's the "thou shalt not send a petition" clause.


Pretty sure it also bans DDOSing or setting fire to the Servers (literal fire, like Arson)

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Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#639 - 2012-06-22 01:26:53 UTC
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Moonasha
Orcses and Goblinz
#640 - 2012-06-22 01:27:44 UTC
Time to **** Minmatar.