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Goons 4x4ing through the Sandbox - Market Manipulation on a Grand Scale

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Terribad
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#501 - 2012-06-21 22:16:19 UTC
You magnificent bastards..
Dramaticus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#502 - 2012-06-21 22:16:52 UTC
Heimdallofasgard wrote:
Dramaticus wrote:
Pisov viet wrote:
gulftobay wrote:
Take the isk back CCP if you want to retain any credibility to the majority of your player base.

Good luck with that, they didnt gained isk from it. Only assets.

Unless, of course, there is a part of it I didnt understoof.


Nope, and I repeat for the low reading comprehension guys, No Isk Was Created, Only Spent


Just curious, when ships are blown up of the opposing faction and rewards are given based on ship value... that's creating LP right? ccp might argue that's an isk faucet, mind you they clearly said that was going to be a game mechanic so... yeah, working within the rules.


We spent ISK to make LP and while we(the Jewbal) will net out way ahead this was actually a huge ISK sink for EVE due to LP store costs and transaction fees.

The 'do-nothing' member of the GoonSwarm Economic Warfare Cabal

The edge is REALLY hard to see at times but it DOES exist and in this case we were looking at a situation where a new feature created for all of our customers was being virtually curbstomped by five of them
Desert Ice78
Gryphons of the Western Wind
#503 - 2012-06-21 22:20:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Desert Ice78
Goons, you are all terrible, terrible I say!!!

Damn you all!!!!!

*shakes fist*

(P.S. Sreegs, I hope you're not really going to take the ISK of them. Not fair that.)

I am a pod pilot: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/DesertIce/POD.jpg

CCP Zulu: Came expecting a discussion about computer monitors, left confused.
Harrowedsmiley
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#504 - 2012-06-21 22:21:05 UTC
Hats off to the Goons, they did the research and therefore get the profits.
Lucy Ferrr
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#505 - 2012-06-21 22:22:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Lucy Ferrr
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:


So it's ok for CCP to gift it's pet players billions in isk in the form of T2BPO but when goons take you to the cleaners using brains they did wrong? Ehm no I'm glad CCP now knows what it's like to be an EVE inventor getting ripped off while trying to do an honest days work.


+10 Internet Points to you good sir! I have heard these silly accusations over and over that CCP secretly answers to Goons and their leader Mittens, and that all of CCP secretly play Eve as part of the GSF. But you are the first that I've seen with the silly accusation that CCP hates GSF and is actively trying to sabotage them. Way to be a trail blazer!

If you are only trollin though I am going to need those internet points back. Serious internet points only go to serious posts.
Groperson
State War Academy
Caldari State
#506 - 2012-06-21 22:22:43 UTC
As an organisation CCP could do well to learn a few things from Goonswarm, we have a more functional management structure, an effective IT infrastructure, real legal resources, and a better understanding of your game fofofofofofofofofofo :smug:
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
#507 - 2012-06-21 22:26:18 UTC
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
CCP Sreegs wrote:
Ituhata Saken wrote:
Dearest Market-Interested Space Tycoons,


At downtime today we made an adjustment to the average price of some items in order to curb a situation whereby the average price of an item could be manipulated in order to create a disparity between the value of an item in Isk and its value in Loyalty Point payouts. There will be additional changes in how this system works in the future. We will be monitoring for attempted manipulation of the LP market and will reverse any proceeds deemed to have been obtained through manipulative means. We are watching you. Don’t be That Guy.



By way of explanation we addressed the manipulation issue but haven't yet completed the investigation into the scope of the abuse. Once that happens I'm pretty sure some people are going to be a bit less smug about the money they made that one time when there was a bank error in their favor and then lost again when the bank fixed the glitch.



So it's ok for CCP to gift it's pet players billions in isk in the form of T2BPO but when goons take you to the cleaners using brains they did wrong? Ehm no I'm glad CCP now knows what it's like to be an EVE inventor getting ripped off while trying to do an honest days work.

Good Job goons, keep it up. You fight for the common EVE player against CCP and the pets. Burn New Eden in the name of the helpless.

Goons have stolen CCP's silver spoon that they use to feed their pets and CCP is pissed off, good work goons!


Spawning a T2 BPO is pretty clear cut, you know.

This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.

fofofo
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#508 - 2012-06-21 22:28:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Darth Gustav
corestwo wrote:
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
CCP Sreegs wrote:
Ituhata Saken wrote:
Dearest Market-Interested Space Tycoons,


At downtime today we made an adjustment to the average price of some items in order to curb a situation whereby the average price of an item could be manipulated in order to create a disparity between the value of an item in Isk and its value in Loyalty Point payouts. There will be additional changes in how this system works in the future. We will be monitoring for attempted manipulation of the LP market and will reverse any proceeds deemed to have been obtained through manipulative means. We are watching you. Don’t be That Guy.



By way of explanation we addressed the manipulation issue but haven't yet completed the investigation into the scope of the abuse. Once that happens I'm pretty sure some people are going to be a bit less smug about the money they made that one time when there was a bank error in their favor and then lost again when the bank fixed the glitch.



So it's ok for CCP to gift it's pet players billions in isk in the form of T2BPO but when goons take you to the cleaners using brains they did wrong? Ehm no I'm glad CCP now knows what it's like to be an EVE inventor getting ripped off while trying to do an honest days work.

Good Job goons, keep it up. You fight for the common EVE player against CCP and the pets. Burn New Eden in the name of the helpless.

Goons have stolen CCP's silver spoon that they use to feed their pets and CCP is pissed off, good work goons!


Spawning a T2 BPO is pretty clear cut, you know.


I think it was eleven. Shocked

EDIT: Just looked it up, looks like it was eight. Still.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#509 - 2012-06-21 22:30:14 UTC
emergent game play \o/

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter
Kethe
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#510 - 2012-06-21 22:30:41 UTC
LOL smug post about how you made 300trillion. And then cry when ccp says that they will take it all away. You used a loop hole to make the isk. It clearly states in the EULA abusing such loopholes will result in your character being banned. Goon tears best tears \o/
Fuujin
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#511 - 2012-06-21 22:32:09 UTC
Kethe wrote:
LOL smug post about how you made 300trillion. And then cry when ccp says that they will take it all away. You used a loop hole to make the isk. It clearly states in the EULA abusing such loopholes will result in your character being banned. Goon tears best tears \o/



I know you're jelly 'cuz jam don't shake like that.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#512 - 2012-06-21 22:32:43 UTC
Kethe wrote:
It clearly states in the EULA abusing such loopholes will result in your character being banned


where

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#513 - 2012-06-21 22:33:22 UTC
Kethe wrote:
LOL smug post about how you made 300trillion. And then cry when ccp says that they will take it all away. You used a loop hole to make the isk. It clearly states in the EULA abusing such loopholes will result in your character being banned. Goon tears best tears \o/

where do crazy people keep getting this 300t number from

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#514 - 2012-06-21 22:35:10 UTC
Kethe wrote:
LOL smug post about how you made 300trillion. And then cry when ccp says that they will take it all away. You used a loop hole to make the isk. It clearly states in the EULA abusing such loopholes will result in your character being banned. Goon tears best tears \o/

The only tears I've seen seem to be yours.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Dramaticus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#515 - 2012-06-21 22:35:37 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
Kethe wrote:
LOL smug post about how you made 300trillion. And then cry when ccp says that they will take it all away. You used a loop hole to make the isk. It clearly states in the EULA abusing such loopholes will result in your character being banned. Goon tears best tears \o/

where do crazy people keep getting this 300t number from


Or the loophole

The 'do-nothing' member of the GoonSwarm Economic Warfare Cabal

The edge is REALLY hard to see at times but it DOES exist and in this case we were looking at a situation where a new feature created for all of our customers was being virtually curbstomped by five of them
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#516 - 2012-06-21 22:35:44 UTC
Kethe wrote:
LOL smug post about how you made 300trillion. And then cry when ccp says that they will take it all away. You used a loop hole to make the isk. It clearly states in the EULA abusing such loopholes will result in your character being banned. Goon tears best tears \o/

Can't wait for the tears!

A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.
Mikelii
Doomheim
#517 - 2012-06-21 22:36:12 UTC
Saw Xenuria shitting up the thread a few pages back still trying to be relevant.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7ScG8kUqrY Never Forget.
Gaia Ma'chello
Photosynth
#518 - 2012-06-21 22:37:51 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Kethe wrote:
It clearly states in the EULA abusing such loopholes will result in your character being banned


where


The closest Ive found:

5. You may not engage in any conduct that results in an Account containing items, objects, currency, character attributes, rank, or status that are inappropriate for the level or rank of the character contained in the Account, including without limitation arranging, making or accepting transfers of items to a character without adequate consideration, thereby augmenting or aggregating items in an Account and increasing its value for an Account sale.

Could be argued either way, but Im sure CCP will not do any arguing. They will just act as they see fit.
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#519 - 2012-06-21 22:38:07 UTC
Kethe wrote:
LOL smug post about how you made 300trillion. And then cry when ccp says that they will take it all away. You used a loop hole to make the isk. It clearly states in the EULA abusing such loopholes will result in your character being banned. Goon tears best tears \o/

You seem pretty sure of that. Show me where scams are illegal by the EULA.

Plus that money came from everybody in Eve. Giving it back seems unlikely at best.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#520 - 2012-06-21 22:40:15 UTC
Gaia Ma'chello wrote:
The closest Ive found:

5. You may not engage in any conduct that results in an Account containing items, objects, currency, character attributes, rank, or status that are inappropriate for the level or rank of the character contained in the Account, including without limitation arranging, making or accepting transfers of items to a character without adequate consideration, thereby augmenting or aggregating items in an Account and increasing its value for an Account sale.

Could be argued either way, but Im sure CCP will not do any arguing. They will just act as they see fit.


that rule doesn't actually mean "you may not make any ISK" fyi

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration